Episode Transcript
Speaker 2 00:00:22 Okay, so welcome to the Frame Center podcast. As promised, we've come back strong starting 2023 off. Um, and today we are lucky enough to have Sally Dean come in and, uh, talk to us. Sally's got a show coming up next week, uh, the fourth it opens at the, the Dolphin in Hingham and, uh, with a reception on the ninth. So we're pretty excited to talk to her. She's got very unique style to the, the area. And, uh, yeah, I think she's a pretty well-known artist. I think if you see some of her stuff, you probably would recognize or have seen it somewhere else. So thanks for joining us, Sally. Thank you.
Speaker 3 00:01:00 Yeah, thanks for squeezing us in <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:01:03 Yeah, right. You're just coming from the Yeah, from the came right from, came from work. Yep. See? Yep. And that's a, you know, that's also a pretty, uh, I think a pretty cool job working down at the,
Speaker 4 00:01:12 At Texas, the art complex. Yeah. Yep. I, I've been there since 2001.
Speaker 2 00:01:16 No kidding.
Speaker 4 00:01:17 Or 2002, somewhere around there. But yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:19 How, how long's Mary been there?
Speaker 4 00:01:21 Oh, she was there before me. She was there before. You fact, Mary Keran is why I have the job.
Speaker 2 00:01:25 Oh, no, no.
Speaker 4 00:01:26 Cause we worked together. Um, I had a little side business where we made these little fundraising items for schools and we worked together, and then she got the job at the museum and, and I said, you know what? I'm ready for something like that. Like sort of a regular thing and get out and see people. So I, I ended up, uh, helping the current, the, the existing education coordinator. I kind of contract work there, and then she resigned and I took her job and it's been great. Um,
Speaker 2 00:01:55 So your role there is mainly like in the education piece? Education, yep.
Speaker 4 00:01:59 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:01:59 <affirmative> does that. Tran does, do you get to, you know, get involved with some other stuff over there too?
Speaker 4 00:02:04 Yeah, we all do a little bit of everything there. I, I mean, I, I did curate, co curate one show way back. Craig Bloodgood is our contemporary curator. Okay. And he's really open to stuff. And, um, but he, he curates the shows and then I kind of come in and get the artists to do, um, workshops and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, we have another little, uh, exhibit space in the studio, which is on the grounds of the building. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> called the Alden Studio. And that's been really fun. We sometimes instructors will show their work there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um,
Speaker 3 00:02:36 They do like live demos and things, or
Speaker 4 00:02:37 We do that. Yeah. We do demos, we do gallery talks. Nice. Um, and things are really looking up now with the new renovations.
Speaker 2 00:02:46 Yeah. The renovations. I haven't, I've been, I, Mary Tractor was trying to, I wanted to go down to like one of the tea ceremonies or something too. Like, I mean, everything down there is top notch and
Speaker 4 00:02:57 Oh yeah. Top notch. That's what we, we are,
Speaker 2 00:02:59 Yeah. And I've been, I've been trying to get Mary on too, so hopefully she, hopefully she listens to this one, didn't he? She told me. Yeah. And, uh, and, and here's, you know, here's a, you give it a positive review and, you know, she'll down,
Speaker 3 00:03:11 She'll like you first you go in there for a and then lemme know Mary
Speaker 4 00:03:13 Will get, we'll get here. Um, yeah. Well all the podcasts I've listened to are great and, uh, you guys are Yeah. Just really fun.
Speaker 2 00:03:21 And I think it's fun. Yeah. I mean, no, I mean, I dunno, this has always been great and like, it's always been a fun experience so far cuz everyone that comes in is people that we know and people that Yeah. Enjoy talking to. And now it's just kind of like, hey, these are fun conversations and, you know, instead of just having the conversation downstairs, we're just recording it and letting other people in on the, in, on it. And like giving them a little insight onto the, uh, to some of the artists. And I think even like Mary would be a lot of fun to have in and talk to. Cuz I want to touch with by the other end of it too. Yeah. Not just the making of the artwork, but the appreciating of it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and like the, you know, curating of it or, or the, you know, the purchasing of it. Sure. Yeah. And, you know, just the hanging in your house of it.
Speaker 4 00:04:04 Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:04:05 And this has become a good get to know you so that you get familiar with those artists. Exactly. And it can make people a little more comfortable with, with, with the buying and then the, uh, what it goes into to make something <laugh>. Right. You know, like this, this isn't something you just, you know, make in an afternoon
Speaker 4 00:04:19 <laugh>. No, I know. It's true. It takes, when you, somebody asks you, how long did it take? It's like, well, it took me five hours plus 65 years of my life. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of experience that goes in and, you know, it's, it's, it's worth it. Um, but pricing work is a challenge and, and
Speaker 3 00:04:37 It's always the worst part of it.
Speaker 4 00:04:38 You wonder what the criteria is. Everyone has a different rule of thumb. Yeah. Um, it's Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:04:45 Materials time over this, this and that size. Yeah. Shipping <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:04:50 Yeah. And you don't wanna be too low and you don't wanna be too high. Yeah. And, um, I've, I've sold a lot of things at really low prices that I feel good about because people have them in their homes. But as I've gone further, they've gone, you know, a little bit higher, but they're still pretty reasonable and Yep. You know, um,
Speaker 2 00:05:09 Well we've, we've framed tons of, tons of the dogs. Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:05:13 Yeah. The dogs.
Speaker 2 00:05:14 Did you, now, were you doing like a dog a day for a while? I was that, was that a, is that a thing?
Speaker 4 00:05:19 I'm a self kind of junkie. I love challenges like that, but not like the things that I decide to do for myself. If somebody else made me do it, I don't know if I'd wanna do it. <laugh> Yeah. But it was a 30 day like dog a day and then I was putting 'em up online and people like, oh, can you do my dog and my dog? Oh, sure. Yeah. So I ended up doing like, I don't know, over a hundred and then they kept coming and it's kind of slacked off now. But, um, I absolutely love doing the dogs and, um, I it's at the social arts center right now, this year in Cohassett, this academic year. Yeah. I'm their artist in residence. It's a program they do every year. They have a different artist come. Marsha Belu was the one Yep. Last year. And then Karen Cass was one. And um, and she has Hurley Scott, who I don't. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:06:09 Oh yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:06:10 Definitely. Um,
Speaker 2 00:06:11 I didn't realize that she was, had done Yeah. She does the, I didn't know like the interesting stuff on Plexiglas.
Speaker 4 00:06:16 Yeah. And the layered
Speaker 2 00:06:16 Stuff. Yeah. We don't do a lot of framing for her. We have done some projects for her because her stuff are boxes.
Speaker 4 00:06:21 Right, right. So she, she did it for three years actually, cuz she did it during Covid and then she did a lot of outreach and going to the schools. But they come, the school children come on Mondays to the art center and I do a PowerPoint and I sh we talk about dogs and I, I asked the kids who loves dogs
Speaker 3 00:06:37 Yeah. Who loves art up. Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:06:40 Yeah. Get 'em all kind of going and, and, um,
Speaker 2 00:06:43 Is that a big part of the residency there? It's so, it's, you know, it's, when I, when I think of like an artist in residence, I kind of think of like, you know, you are like, you're staying there Yeah. Or using the space to work. But it's really more, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:06:54 It's really, it's kind of a loose term because I think of that too. Like, you would go for a month and you'd live there and work as a Right. But this is more like every week one artist comes in and they spotlight that artist and they do the same program. Um, same project over and over and over. So you really get to fine tune it. But that's kind of their program. The, the artist and residence program. And, um, so I've really enjoyed it because the kids come in and we often bring our dogs. Yep. And for a kid to get outta school and then see a dog that sometimes is always <laugh>. Yeah. It just is great. Yeah. Um, my dog likes it after about, uh, half an hour or so, he's ready to go hang out in the office.
Speaker 3 00:07:31 Corgi. Yeah. Yeah. I I've seen a few pictures. Yeah. Ricky's came
Speaker 2 00:07:35 In here. Is that the most painted dog? Um,
Speaker 4 00:07:37 Yeah, actually he hardly gets painted. He is like, you know, a mechanic's car doesn't run, you never paint your own dog. But, um, right. <laugh> I have, um, I did do a demo on, uh, zoom at North River during Covid with him. But, um, anyway, I, we talk not only about dogs, they try to hit on a lot of the curriculum things like, um, science and, uh, language. So what we do is we give the children, um, we talk about rescue dogs and animal shelters mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And we ask the teachers to send them, um, home a letter asking for food and items for the animal shelter. And every week I, my car is filled with this stuff and I bring it over to the Marshfield Animal shelter or the situ an animal shelter. Yep. And it's great. Um, a lot of donations have been coming through that. And, um, and then we talk about genetics and dogs and how, you know, certain dogs can look different and then they get a puppy that looks different and it, you know, it can kind
Speaker 3 00:08:31 Of, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4 00:08:32 Yeah. But then we get right to the art part and we have the kids drawing and they, they pick a picture of a rescue animal and then there's usually a word that describes the dog, like friendly or loyal or shy. And they use that word and they illustrate it. So it, the artwork's phenomenal. And we give them just simple materials. They have a black piece of paper and prisma color pencils, which are really nice and soft. Nice. And the kids just love it. So that's been good. It's, it's, um, I've learned a lot too, cuz I, I don't really consider myself a teacher. I'm more of like, I'm an artist. Here's the stuff. This is what I do. Go for it.
Speaker 2 00:09:09 <laugh>. So, so what are the schools, I mean, is it just like local schools that have like a, a thing with the, the art, the art center, and they
Speaker 4 00:09:17 Just bring, bring 'em over outreach to, they send it to all the schools and then the schools, some of 'em have grants and they get funding to come and others just come, they get a bus and they bring, it's usually like fourth grade, fifth grade mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 3 00:09:30 Grade. So you dealing with, you know, no,
Speaker 4 00:09:32 Little, little, no, we don't have little littles. Um, and we haven't, we don't really get anyone over fifth grade. And it's interesting to see like, this third graders are really free and really uninhibited, and then they get fourth grade and they start to be like, oh, look at her. You know, they compare and you're like, no,
Speaker 3 00:09:49 Everyone Yeah. You start to get judgey. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:50 You get judgey. So you try to say, Hey, everyone's unique, everyone's different. It's all good. Yep. And it, and it, you know, most of the time that, that works. But it's, it's been a lot. It's been good though. I like it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:10:02 <affirmative>. That sounds like fun. So I, I have one of your dogs too. I, you know, I got one for, uh, the portrait of the old dog. Old dog. Yeah. The, my first dog that, that, uh, fortunate Pat Yeah. Had passed is, yeah. So we have a nice memorial to Oh, to marry, uh, at my house, Mary is, you know, done by you.
Speaker 4 00:10:22 Yeah. That's what a lot of people give me that, you know, someone's friends of their dogs had passed, so it's a nice way to memorialize
Speaker 3 00:10:28 Them. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, especially, you know, maybe 20 years ago people didn't really take a lot of patience with their daughter. Yeah. I know. It's not like nowadays, but the phone's readily available. Like, oh, they're doing something cute. Yep. You know? I know. Snap a picture of it. Yeah. You know, maybe you have a picture of 'em with the family at the Christmas party or at the, you the family barbecue or
Speaker 4 00:10:48 Something. But if you look at my camera roll, you'll see a
Speaker 2 00:10:50 Lot <laugh>, a
Speaker 4 00:10:51 Lot of dogs and my daughter's dogs, my grand dogs and the
Speaker 3 00:10:54 Grand dogs.
Speaker 4 00:10:54 Right. You know, they look so cute and you just can't stand it. You have to take a picture. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, when you do a painting, you know, try to tell the kids a painting is really kind of special. And that's why people will commission me to do a painting. So I just love, yeah. I just love looking at a dog. You
Speaker 3 00:11:11 Capture personality pretty well sometimes with those, you know, and it really kind of brings 'em out. It's
Speaker 4 00:11:16 Fun. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3 00:11:18 I know I can't take a picture of mine. He's a black voyage. When I try to take a picture of him, he's in all black pugs, so
Speaker 4 00:11:23 You gotta put him in
Speaker 3 00:11:24 Front of a, I gotta get a flashlight on him while I'm trying to take a picture if I want to get any of that definition on him. Otherwise it's just a black shadow, you
Speaker 2 00:11:31 Know. Far Claus light.
Speaker 3 00:11:32 Yeah. Know. Right. I'll just take the giant ring. Don't move. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:11:37 No. The, the piece behind us, is that one of the pieces that's gonna be in
Speaker 4 00:11:41 The Yes. In the show. That's, that's a very recent piece. And um, that and all the pieces.
Speaker 2 00:11:46 There's dogs in that piece too.
Speaker 3 00:11:47 Yep. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:11:48 Oh yeah. There's a dog in some kind of critter. Um, some of the dogs end up, up looking like morphed into pigs or cows or where, you know, sometimes my animals look kind of mm-hmm. <affirmative> weird. But, um, I just love to paint like this because Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:12:03 Photo
Speaker 4 00:12:03 Windy, I just kind of go Yeah. You know, and, and I think I do paint plen air and I do do representational from life mm-hmm. <affirmative> and photos. And I love doing that too, to try to capture, um, the realism and the light and the form. But when I do stuff like this, it's, I'm just in the painting and I can just let go of I, I mean it's still can be a challenge. It's cause like how does this look? I don't know if this is right and what color. There's no real, it's a flow rule that I can, but it's, but if it looks right to me, um, sometimes I bring him in the house, I have a studio in the backyard mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I look at 'em out there and I don't know what's, or if I take a picture of 'em and then look at it, look at it later, I'm like, oh, okay. I can figure that out now. Yeah. What I need to do. So it, it's, they, they need time to sort of simmer. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:12:52 Having them in a studio space for sitting in a living space where they're actually gonna be around other objects and things. What is does it do to 'em? So Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:12:58 Yeah. That's, and I asked for feedback and um, certain people can give me real specifics
Speaker 2 00:13:04 Feedback. Do you have a, do you have a group? You,
Speaker 4 00:13:06 You can I am in. Yeah. Well, I'm in Girls just wanna paint. Oh, you're
Speaker 2 00:13:08 Okay. And I'll, I'll
Speaker 4 00:13:10 Name them because I'll forget one. Yeah, I know Jodi forgot one.
Speaker 2 00:13:14 <laugh> and, uh, was he you? It was Peggy. No, it was Peggy.
Speaker 4 00:13:17 I could probably name one, but Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:13:18 Um, you don't wanna to show Jodi after you Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:13:20 Right. No, but I would do that and it's, um, it's this wonderful group of women that, uh, Kelly McDonald started back Yeah. Like, probably 12 years ago. And she had this idea like, we'll all paint the same thing and we'll have the month to do it, and then at the end of the month we'll get together and we'll look at the paintings. Yeah. And she actually drove around to each one of our houses and dropped a starfish off at the door. And so we all had to draw the starfish or paint the starfish mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, and it was fun and we all did that, but then it became more like a theme. Yep. Or a word or,
Speaker 2 00:13:53 Yeah. Know Jodi had mentioned that she gets in a little bit of hot water for the, some of the suggestions. Oh yeah. She comes up with, uh, <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:14:01 She, I love what she comes up with, but it's, yeah. She'll say it like the word other or, or,
Speaker 2 00:14:05 Um, <laugh> or over, you know, you know, like,
Speaker 4 00:14:09 Um, but over
Speaker 3 00:14:11 It is over what
Speaker 2 00:14:12 Left up to a little too much interpretation or
Speaker 4 00:14:15 Yeah. But it's really fun. Yeah. It's, it's, it's great. And you have the whole month to do it. And then we get together and we critique and we share a lot of, you know, information mm-hmm. <affirmative> or, you know, color Sense and everyone's a little different in the group. So it's been really, really fun. And uh, I feel I'm really lucky cuz I'm part of that group. Yep. And then there's another group that I'm in that goes out on Tuesdays, I haven't been able to go lately, but, um, in the summer they're, they, they're like, somebody always knows somebody that's got a house of, you know, on the water with
Speaker 2 00:14:44 A water <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:14:45 So we, we, we end up in some nice people's backyards and Yeah. Um, it's fun in the, some in the winter they paint and situate at the Ellis Estate. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:14:55 So yeah. That's, that. Is that like, that's that old building or
Speaker 4 00:14:58 Yeah. Yeah. That really old building up on the hill in, uh, situate mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's really fun. Um, there's a lot of painting people around here that just like to get together and Yep. I think we're really lucky that
Speaker 2 00:15:11 Way. No, I think that that, you know, I mean we've talked to a number of people, but like the, the community, um, you know, around here is great. Yeah. There's just, there's so many different organizations. There's so many different, uh, you know, outlets and, you know, people, you know, feeding off of each other, like, you know, it's
Speaker 4 00:15:29 True. And I think here, as we've said too, is Frame Center's kind of like a little bit of a, um, it's a center for, for
Speaker 3 00:15:36 Everybody. A little hub where everybody a hub
Speaker 4 00:15:38 When it comes to
Speaker 3 00:15:38 Us. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:15:39 And it, it's like almost like you take our art and you make it look really good. Like, it just, it's like going to the hairdresser song, you come back, you're like, wow. And you know, I can't, this isn't framed because it's just hot off the press, but if you guys framed it, I would have you put it in an awesome, like floater frame. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but, um, I, you know, I just had some Matts cut for some watercolors that I did, and they look so good. Yeah. Yep. So, but it,
Speaker 3 00:16:06 We enjoy doing it. That's the other thing was most of us here have either our artists ourselves or we, you know, have just a great appreciation for art. Yeah. So when we get to see all these different types of pieces come in all the time, it, you know, it's what keeps us going too. Yeah. You know, <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:16:21 No, it's true. I, when
Speaker 3 00:16:22 I, you're inspired by everything that gets brought in, so
Speaker 4 00:16:24 It's so, it's so cool. It's just like working at the art museum. Like I see all this art and I get really jazzed up.
Speaker 2 00:16:29 Yeah. No, I mean, I think, you know, I think we're fortunate to work in this business. I mean, it's fun. It's not like, you know, this, it should be low stress. Right.
Speaker 3 00:16:36 We don't dread coming to work every day. No, I know. Oh no.
Speaker 2 00:16:39 As I'm sure I'm working down at the, in Duxbury is probably the same thing. It's love, you know, it's probably inspiring. It kind of, you know.
Speaker 4 00:16:46 Yeah. Today was like a party. I had this group come in there, I said, where group of you? She said, oh, where Where're the Good Vibe tribe, like <laugh> Tribe, I gotta be in your group. There you go. And they were having
Speaker 2 00:16:56 A good, what's the good vibe tribe up
Speaker 4 00:16:58 There? Good vibe. Tribe <laugh>. Well, they, they do the Bay Circuit Trail. There's like a group, they, there's this trail that you can walk and they do sections of the trails. It's like the Appalachian trails sort thing. Yeah. But, but I guess they ran outta trail. So they start going to museums, <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:17:12 But
Speaker 4 00:17:13 They spent
Speaker 3 00:17:14 Parts in the town doing it.
Speaker 4 00:17:15 Yeah. It's really fun. So,
Speaker 2 00:17:17 Um, so when, so some of the days you're just talking to people
Speaker 4 00:17:21 Over, well, today Yeah, it was, but a lot of days, like I do stuff on the computer mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I organize, um, the, when we have groups come, I organize that mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we're thinking of fun things like in June we wanna do a chalk festival mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we wanna have artists come and do chalk art on, on the circle, the new paved circle. Yep. And maybe do some sort of like, kiosk type boards and put some chalk paint. But see now I'm thinking, well, we can get a, a rock band from the high school and then maybe we get a food truck <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:17:52 And then
Speaker 4 00:17:52 I also make these giant parade puppets. So we're gonna have those. Yeah. So, so we're like, it's getting kind of big. It started with Chalk Fest, but you will see, you know, we
Speaker 3 00:18:01 Gotta see, well that's let get the ball rolling. You gotta see what sticks. You gotta, you know, try everything,
Speaker 4 00:18:05 Have fun, you know, and, and the museum. I mean, museum is just a place for people to come and enjoy stuff. Yeah. I mean, how
Speaker 2 00:18:13 Cool is that? Yeah, no,
Speaker 4 00:18:14 That's, and I have to thank the Wire Houser family because they are purely, it's free. Yeah. I mean, it's a free, there's no donation.
Speaker 3 00:18:21 Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:18:22 Yeah. There's no membership. Which, you know, I, some people might wanna join, but they just, it's a completely charitable organization Yep. Just for people to enjoy. I mean, it's so, it's so rare. I think of these places down here in the South Shore mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 2 00:18:37 So how many people work over there? Well,
Speaker 4 00:18:40 I think there's about 12 of us. Yeah. So we have a good time. Yep. It's really fun.
Speaker 2 00:18:46 Yeah. I, I, yeah. So yeah, I mean, I would imagine it's a, it's a, you know, pretty artistic crew or Oh yeah. Like a, you know, a good group now. Yeah. Maureen used to
Speaker 4 00:18:55 Maureen. Yeah. She left. She was great. Um, but now we have Laurie, um, Ladue, who's a, an artist and she, she came on right when we reopened and Yep. She's great. And, um, they, they redid not only the gallery, they took the old library and they made it into what's called the Founder's Room. Mm-hmm. So it gives the visitors a really nice overview of the Wire Hauser family and how this museum came.
Speaker 2 00:19:19 Is that where you were doing the henna? A few years ago?
Speaker 4 00:19:22 That's right. I was in the li Oh, you were at that? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:25 Oh, that's, yeah. You had the I was through the henna.
Speaker 4 00:19:27 That was for the North River. That's, uh, Kayla.
Speaker 2 00:19:29 Yeah. I, yeah. I don't, I don't remember the event. I just, it was, I just remember Jen went in in the back. Oh yeah. I got some head. The
Speaker 3 00:19:36 Different, different festival was a different one
Speaker 2 00:19:38 Festival. Yeah. I never
Speaker 4 00:19:39 Looked up from doing
Speaker 2 00:19:40 That, but, uh, yeah, I just remember, you know, being in that library type type of setting in, in newer, uh, you know, plugging away people's
Speaker 3 00:19:47 Funny's completely. That's a lot of detail work. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:19:50 Yeah. I forgot
Speaker 2 00:19:51 All about that. Yeah. That, that, that was north. That was a North
Speaker 4 00:19:53 River. That was North River's 50th Gala and they Oh, okay. Had it at the museum. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But they took that room, the library, and they, when at Covid, um, they were gonna renovate in 2021 because the museum turned 50 in, um, well, 2021. Yeah. So that was gonna be our 50th anniversary. Oh sure. Sure. And then of course we shut down and then they decided, well, since we're shut down, let's do the renovations now. Yep. That was, so we didn't reopen until May 22, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the renovations are unbelievable. They had a, they had designers and architects and they, they redid the, uh, library to be this founders room. And there's interactive screens and there it's like a real museum though. Nice. Nice. You can sit, there's a beautiful couple of really nice pieces of furniture that you can lounge on. <laugh> there people, the good vibe tribe was there
Speaker 3 00:20:42 Today. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:43 They are chilling out. Little bit.
Speaker 3 00:20:45 That was great. <unk> Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:20:48 But it's fun. And, and, um, there's some video, like we have the tea ceremony and unfortunately you can't really access that except for three times a year. So they made this beautiful section that shows some of the collection of Japanese ceramics. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> a scroll. And then there's a video with a three minute tea ceremony sort of overview. So you can see the tea ceremony. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the tea house and just that whole zen thing.
Speaker 2 00:21:13 What's the connection to that? Is that just something that the family was like really into?
Speaker 4 00:21:18 They did, yeah. The family was very inter, I'm gonna, I put my histories right here, but they were really into traveling and they love Japan mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they went to Kyoto and bought this tea house mm-hmm. <affirmative> in the seventies. And they had it packed up. It's a presentation tea house. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, normally it would be all closed with this tiny little door that you have have to crawl in. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the samura ray had to leave their swords out so they could crawl in. And um, but this was a presentation hu so that they could open it and they, they had to get a Japanese craftsman to put it together cuz there's no nails in the construction. It's a completely tongue and groove.
Speaker 3 00:21:54 Yeah. It's all joinin.
Speaker 4 00:21:55 Yeah. Joinery. And, um, it's absolutely beautiful. But it's fragile <laugh>. And I think originally they wanted it to be in the museum, but it didn't really fit in the museum. So they built a garage. So when they open it up and it sits in the garden, it's really beautiful. Just looking at it, you just feel yourself calm. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause it's so simple and beautiful. Um, so we, we used to do, uh, a lot of school groups would come and, and take part in that, but unfortunately their curriculum changed and they, the, it doesn't work for them to come mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So we're kind of hoping to get that back. But, um, the tea ceremonies have been really popular. Um, so it's, that's influenced my own work too. Um, learning now how to like Mount Scrolls. Yep. Um, and using Rice Paste and Mulberry paper. And I'm, you know, I've, I've never really did that stuff, but yeah. My job is, is really inspired me to, to go in that direction a little more. So.
Speaker 3 00:22:48 Well, that's great that you're learning something from it too, that you're getting something to add of your own before of, you know.
Speaker 4 00:22:54 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we're, we're a lot of printmaking. Uh, we just had a printmaking workshop last weekend mm-hmm. And a lot of new techniques that, um, using gel plates and monoprinting and collo, uh, collograph printing mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. It's fascinating. It's just endless. So we do have a really nice press. So I've done, um, we did this thing called Big Ink, um, where this guy from Maine, he built a press that can do an eight foot print. Oh. And he brings it in.
Speaker 3 00:23:23 That thing was cool looking. Yeah. And I saw some, saw some pictures
Speaker 4 00:23:26 Of that. It's, they're coming back and Are they 24? Yeah. Oh, awesome. So you have like two years to,
Speaker 3 00:23:31 To car. I'd go over <laugh>. We used
Speaker 4 00:23:33 Should carve a block. You. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:23:34 I mean, that'd be cool. I used to do linoleum cut, so Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, when printmaking was my background, I used to, that's what I went to school for, was for graphic design and printing, so. Oh, that's awesome. So I, I used to do a lot of that kind of stuff, stuff. But
Speaker 4 00:23:45 Have you been to the museum?
Speaker 3 00:23:47 I haven't, I haven't gotten over there. No,
Speaker 2 00:23:49 You should. Yeah, you
Speaker 3 00:23:50 Should go. There's my, here's my travel, there's my field trip. Yep. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:23:53 We have a really nice print exhibit right now in the, in the gallery, in the main gallery. There's the Winter Jury show. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which I'm sure you framed a lot of stuff for that. Yep. And then in the middle of that gallery is the collection gallery. It's called Rotations. And it's all prints of snow right now. And they're beautiful. And yeah. Some of them are Japanese and, um, Chinese. And then there's American and European. So Yeah. You should check it out.
Speaker 3 00:24:15 That'd be great.
Speaker 4 00:24:16 Yeah. You'll be really inspired.
Speaker 3 00:24:17 No, I'd love to go and see something like that. I, I don't have a lot of free time to go and do those kinds of things. So when I get the opportunity to, I do like to to,
Speaker 4 00:24:23 Well, it's part of this job. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:25 That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. <laugh> work
Speaker 2 00:24:27 Study on the field track. It's work study
Speaker 3 00:24:29 <laugh>. But no, I'd love to do that. It'd be great.
Speaker 4 00:24:32 Yeah. But print making's fun. Like the white You
Speaker 2 00:24:34 Haven block. I haven't seen a lot of, like do you do, is that something you're getting into
Speaker 4 00:24:38 More, more into? Yeah. I, I've, I'm due, I do lineo linoleum block, um, but this wood block printing was new to me and I had never done, um, I had to get different tools and stuff, but, um, and I thought it would be hard. Really? Like, literally hard.
Speaker 3 00:24:53 Yeah. Like you'd be there with a hammerer.
Speaker 4 00:24:55 Yeah. But it's not in by taking this course. Well, you sign up, when you sign up for Big Ink, they send you these beautiful videos. Mm-hmm. Like I, I'm, I'm not really an online, I don't take a lot of classes online. Sure. But this was so comprehensive on the tools. Here's the link, you know, this is what you need and how to hold it. And this is this method, that method mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then there's electric tools that you can use, which I ended up using. My print had a lot of white, so I had to carve a lot. So I got out the electric, but I really,
Speaker 3 00:25:25 The old can't. I know, know.
Speaker 4 00:25:27 Yeah, I know. But, um, that was so exciting. We had, uh, 16 print makers come eight on each day, and he just cranked out three prints and all the print makers worked together. And so it felt like almost like a sporting event. Yeah. Like no, was so supportive and fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:44 How big? No. How big is that? Pr Like
Speaker 4 00:25:46 The press can do a, can go 40 inches wide by eight foot long.
Speaker 2 00:25:50 So I mean, is that like a, quite a, a process to bring that down? Like
Speaker 4 00:25:55 Yeah. Yeah. To bring that, to bring the press in? Yeah. Yeah. They, they brought their van up. They had like a, one of those like, uh, winch, I don't know what you call it, but it like layered it down. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:26:05 Yeah, yeah. It's a, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:26:06 Windshield. And, but they unbelievable. They have it down. Cause they go
Speaker 2 00:26:10 Around, they're, it's mo they're mobile.
Speaker 3 00:26:12 Yeah. They've done this a few hundred times. Every, they
Speaker 4 00:26:15 Did a Kickstarter and got the money to do it, and they built the press. Oh, that's awesome. They bought the van. They got the equipment that they, and that's what they do. They go around, um, they did Social Arts center a few years ago, the festival. And I mean, they go out to, I don't know, the furthest they've gone is like Arizona, but, but they're in Maine for the winter and, and they're just great. And she's a guitar. His wife Karen is a guitar player. So she set up her electric guitar mm-hmm. <affirmative> and played music while we were
Speaker 3 00:26:42 Printing. Oh, that's cool. Cool. Oh
Speaker 4 00:26:43 Yeah. It was very cool.
Speaker 3 00:26:44 We've, this was a all one day thing, right? It was a two day thing.
Speaker 4 00:26:46 Oh, two day thing. Yeah. So they set up, um, the Friday and then Saturday, all day Saturday and Sunday was just printmaking. So, so that really got me like, excited. I wanna do more. Um, but it takes time. Like Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:26:56 What, what was the theme on your one? What, what'd you do for the cutting years? Again? It was
Speaker 4 00:26:59 For my print. Yeah. I did a portrait at my house in winter. Okay. And I, I started it in the summer when it was so hot. And it was weird. Like, why am I doing a winter scene in the summer? But, um, I wanted to do a portrait of my house just to have, but then I got this big huge thing and I know Chris Brennan had hers framed and I'm like, yes. Our extra dark
Speaker 3 00:27:18 Car.
Speaker 4 00:27:19 Yes. Hers was exactly the same size as mine. And she got
Speaker 3 00:27:23 Into, this was the garden scene, right. With she
Speaker 4 00:27:25 Like
Speaker 3 00:27:25 A, a spider in it and
Speaker 4 00:27:27 Yeah. You gotta come see it. It
Speaker 3 00:27:28 Looks so good. Oh, I framed it <laugh>. Yeah. You framed it. I'm the one who did it. That's why I was like, I know this one. You need to see it. She showed me all the pictures of it from the day and everything. So
Speaker 4 00:27:36 We got the wood together, we went to Home Depot and they cut the cherry and we, and so she
Speaker 3 00:27:40 Oh, cherry wood, huh? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:27:42 There's all sorts of woods you can use, but that was what we could get. And um, yeah. So I definitely recommend
Speaker 3 00:27:48 It. And you get the wrong one, you'll be there all day. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:27:50 Oh, that. It was hard enough. The birch, I think is even harder. Uhhuh. <affirmative>. But there's a wood, um, there's a, there's a special wood from Japan and I forget the name of it, but it's, it was way too expensive. Sheena. It's Sheena Plywood and it's only this one place in Oregon that gets it. And for that size it would've been like 400 bucks.
Speaker 3 00:28:09 Oh sure.
Speaker 4 00:28:10 Yeah. Just to get it. So like I'll use Cherry <laugh>. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:28:12 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:28:13 But it, it, it did work out. Um, so yeah, we do have a press at the museum, but it, it, the, the plate you can only do like a 18 inches wide. Yeah. But it's,
Speaker 3 00:28:22 It's still, yeah. I had one that when we did at, at college, it was only about, you know Yeah. Like maybe two feet across at the most,
Speaker 4 00:28:29 You knows.
Speaker 3 00:28:30 That's about, it's about the width of this table. Exactly. That's so that was like as large as we could go. Yep. And you know, of course everybody went that large. Yes. <laugh> and tried to like, yeah. We tried to like piecemeal things together too, to like, you know, make marks so that we could, lines never worked, but, you know. No,
Speaker 4 00:28:45 I know, I know. That's
Speaker 3 00:28:46 The hardest thing. The students thinking they can do what they want. They, everybody can do what they want to do. But that's how you figure it out.
Speaker 4 00:28:51 Yeah, that's right. So,
Speaker 2 00:28:52 So is the, uh, is it Big Ink is what? Big Ink? Uh, no, they gonna come, they're gonna come back
Speaker 4 00:28:58 To the Yep. We're gonna have 'em back in the, in uh, 24. No can. So that they usually do once they do it and then they, you know, do it every other year. Yep. And the cool thing about the museum is they, we subsidized each artist a hundred bucks cuz it's 300 to, to do it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> usually. But we subsidized it so the artist only had to pay 200. And we're hoping to do that again. I don't know, it's in the budget, but it was such a wonderful thing. Everyone had a blast. And I was a little worried because of this brand new renovated clean museum. They're bringing in a big press with a lot of ink and stuff. <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:29:32 But
Speaker 2 00:29:32 It was, your job would be cleaning up yet?
Speaker 4 00:29:34 No. Yeah. No, it was so clean. He had it down. He had everything perfect. And, uh, just a really, really great experience. So
Speaker 3 00:29:43 That is not, uh, removable <laugh>. It's meant to last. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:29:48 <laugh>. And you mentioned the, uh, you know, when you were, when you were going on about the, uh, the truck and stuff, the puppet stuff. Now there's, are you, did you have your, you outta your hands in the puppet parade over
Speaker 4 00:29:57 It north? The big puppets? Yeah. Well, yeah. The, the giant puppets. Um, I did those years ago when my kids were little and I, I had gone to this place up in Vermont Bread and Puppet theater. Yes. Pretty famous for these. They do a lot of political theater, but giant puppets. And you still go today they have a barn full of 'em for every, everything they ever did, they shove in this barn. And they're giant paper mache. Um, a little spooky and dark. Um, some of them, but yeah. Um, so I've been doing those and af when Covid hit, I was working on some for the festival. Yeah. And I was just in there in my studio by myself making these giant things. And it was really fun. It was like my, my buddies out in the studio, like these big, I made a bear and I made a fox and, um, a couple like people and um, they, a couple of 'em, um, go on backpacks, like the old
Speaker 3 00:30:52 Fashioned Oh, that's type, yeah,
Speaker 4 00:30:53 Yeah, yeah. That had the aluminum frame. Uhhuh <affirmative>, they're hard to find now. So if you see him, you know, grab and, but I just met with a woman today who's, um, Michelle Lava, who's from Ciit. And we're gonna make more, she's all excited to do it. So I've got the directions from this bread and puppet. It's all really low tech. It's paper mache, it's wood, it's paper, it's bamboo. The trick is to make it really light and to be able to walk around with them, but,
Speaker 3 00:31:20 Well, it's the thing you weighs so much. I used to make a lot of that kind of scenery stuff for like Halloween displays in my house and things. Oh, cool. Things like that. Cool. Cuz I used to work at, used to work at a party store, so I'd get to have Well,
Speaker 4 00:31:30 I remember you from
Speaker 3 00:31:30 AC Moore. Exactly. So I'd have that and before that I was at Home Depot. Yeah. So I was always had access to the supplies and the chicken wire Yeah. Things and then, you know, to frame it all out. That's, that's so fun. Expanding foam and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, so you can reinforce it and have it be lightweight. Yeah. That's but rigid. Yeah. You know, so, and then you can cut away and sculpt at it and do stuff. So I know it's, it's a lot of work that goes into that.
Speaker 4 00:31:52 It is. The, the, uh, the way I was do the face is I'd do like a, a big thing on a table and make levels just using like whatever recycled material, blankets, whatever. And you'd kind of make like, almost like a topographical thing. Yep. Cover that. And then you take clay and you put that on top and you sculpt it, then you put plastic on the clay. Yeah. And then you paper mache, uhhuh <affirmative> at the end it just pops off and it's super
Speaker 3 00:32:16 Light. Yeah. You've got a form and you're just Right. Building off of a form.
Speaker 4 00:32:19 Yeah. Yeah. So, and then you've gotta do the structure and there's a, it's, it's, I like, I like painting, but I also really like to make stuff.
Speaker 3 00:32:27 Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:32:28 I like So what do, what do you show, what do you show off the puppet's? Just the puppet parades or?
Speaker 4 00:32:33 Well, so far I've taken one, I took one to levitate. Oh no,
Speaker 3 00:32:37 That'd
Speaker 4 00:32:38 Be cool. Yeah, we did did, when Susan Tedeschi was playing, I put strapped on the big backpack puppet and I walked through the crowd and it was so fun to be completely hidden Yeah. Inside. And to watch people I could see through a little pee. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:32:51 Yeah. Yeah. You got the little mesh like Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:32:53 Stuff. So, and it had wings, like I could flap the wings. Oh cool. And, uh, people were dancing and pointing and, and it showed up on a YouTube. So, you know, that was pretty
Speaker 2 00:33:02 Fun. We'd have to track that one down. I
Speaker 4 00:33:05 Know, I know. It's like number 455 on this YouTube, whatever, <laugh>. Um, but, so that was fun. And then the north of Arts parade. Yeah. And we did that this year, this past spring for the, that was when those puppets finally get to come out. Cool.
Speaker 2 00:33:20 Um, yeah. I feel like I might have been involved in like, putting them up in that ledge at one point. <laugh>. I know that's,
Speaker 4 00:33:26 That's a pain. I did that <laugh>. Uh, just had to put 'em away. Yeah. So they hang out all year in the, in the arch center and then they come out. So I'd like to find other venues for them, other venues. So I've got, I need to get more people. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:33:41 Some of the old vintage ones I know are worth money cuz I've, I've seen them, um, like on American Pickers when they go through and they see Oh really? Like the, they're like, oh this. And they'll do like a whole thing of like where, and they'll show like old, you know, black and white reel of it actually in thing. And like the paint's all worn off and faded. Yeah. But it's like the work that somebody went into, you know. Yeah. They still appreciate that kind of stuff. And I love, so hopefully
Speaker 2 00:34:04 Do you, is you get commissions for puppets or No. <laugh>?
Speaker 4 00:34:07 No. No. And it,
Speaker 3 00:34:08 You know, I, well you might now I
Speaker 2 00:34:09 Don't get paid. That's more of a, that's more of a love. Uh,
Speaker 4 00:34:13 Honestly the stuff that I do for free is the most fun. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 3 00:34:16 Well there's no constraints. Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:34:18 And there's no pressure.
Speaker 3 00:34:19 Do what you need. So there is something about getting paid to our commission to a job for wanting to, to make sure that it's done right and properly. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you sometimes overstress and think about it. Oh yeah. You know, when you're free to do it cuz it's just something you're willing to do. It's always a little more, uh,
Speaker 4 00:34:34 It's
Speaker 3 00:34:34 True. Little more. You
Speaker 4 00:34:35 <laugh> I think all artists kind of have a love hate with the commissions. I mean, you love to get 'em and you're like, yeah. And then there's that struggle like, Ooh, somebody's always looking over your shoulders. This is gonna be what they want. Yeah. So for some reason though, the dogs, I don't have that problem. It's just, they're dogs, you know, they're just, just this looks like the dog. Yeah. I've had a couple people say though, not quite there and I've had to redo, but I never mind because I just like doing it so much. So
Speaker 2 00:35:02 Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know that, you know, the one I have is, you know, it's, it it really captured her kind, you know, like her personality. That's good.
Speaker 4 00:35:10 You know, and, uh, because I never, I don't think I met your dog. I get, and it's hard from a photo sometimes. Yeah. You just can't really, so I asked for multiple photos so I can sort of see Yeah. Yeah. Because different light and stuff can change a lot. But
Speaker 3 00:35:22 Nowadays you got a lot of video too that you can access. People can, that's send you little clips and things like that. Like even just, you know, the
Speaker 4 00:35:27 Video
Speaker 3 00:35:28 Helps. Even just a 15 second video of them running through the backyard chasing the ball. We'll give you an idea of their personality, you know, or something along those that, or they didn't go chasing the ball. They didn't even get outta bed when people called their name. Know. That's another personality that you have to deal with quite often with pups. So. Yep. But yeah.
Speaker 4 00:35:42 Gotta love dogs. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:35:44 <affirmative>, we have many of them here and they're featured quite, quite frequently in our <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:35:49 I remember we used to have dogs all around the, um, gallery. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:35:51 Yeah. That was a big thing. Beck. We still have people coming in asking for those every occasion. I saw one
Speaker 4 00:35:56 Recently in someone's house. I said, you must have got that at the frame center. Cause they were very unique.
Speaker 2 00:36:00 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think there was like every, all the breeds. Yeah. Some of the breeds went faster than others. Yeah. A lot
Speaker 3 00:36:05 Of labs. Yeah. Lot of labs sold.
Speaker 2 00:36:07 Think some of shepherds, some of the la the last ones went out for, you know, get really good deal on em cuz they weren't as popular Breeds
Speaker 3 00:36:14 $5 specials. Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>. Aw. But
Speaker 2 00:36:18 Yeah, everyone's, uh, you know, yeah. Those ones were, were popular. Everyone loves dogs.
Speaker 4 00:36:24 Everyone loves dogs. I think. So if they don't then do
Speaker 2 00:36:27 You do it in casual? Cat
Speaker 4 00:36:29 <laugh> cats are good too. Love cats. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:36:31 Do you do cat, cat portraits? I know, I do. I know you picked up a cat portrait here.
Speaker 4 00:36:34 I was. Oh, that is that wool painting by, uh, Betty.
Speaker 3 00:36:38 Betty Green. Betty Green. Love that. She, somebody else just brought in two of them this afternoon to get framed again and I was like, wait a second. I know those.
Speaker 4 00:36:45 Yeah. She's, she's gonna do a workshop at the museum in March. Yeah. So I'm, I'm plugging
Speaker 3 00:36:50 That. She was worried nobody was gonna let her work <laugh>. That was the one that was the most thought over. Yeah. Right. I know. After your name went on that Oh yeah. I, so many people wanted it. They're like, well, what if we offer more? I'm like, no, no. <laugh>. That's not how it works. No,
Speaker 4 00:37:04 No. It was so realistic that that cat
Speaker 2 00:37:06 Yeah, I thought it was a, you know, it, I I walked past it like twice and like, I thought it was a photograph and then I get up to it. Like light
Speaker 3 00:37:14 Three dimensional felting. Yeah. Yeah. It's, she strips down to the feathers to make the quills, uh, the use of Oh,
Speaker 4 00:37:20 Is that what
Speaker 3 00:37:20 She does though? That's those are Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:37:22 Feathers. I was hoping it wasn't like from a
Speaker 3 00:37:23 Cat <laugh>. No, no, no. <laugh>, they're like those little, little thin feathers that she just went through and fucked every other little thing off for 'em to use 'em. So, no,
Speaker 4 00:37:32 That's what I love my job because, you know, I see something and then I'm like, Hey, you wanna come, like one of the, um, workshops instructors in Maine, she hasn't come for a while, but we have one of her pieces in the collection. She's a, a linoleum block artist. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I just emailed her and then she said, well actually my sister lives in, I don't know, Framingham, I'd love to come down. And so she's, she's done two or three workshops and, you know, and that, and that's what kind of got me into the printmaking. Sure. So
Speaker 2 00:37:58 Is that, uh, that, is that a you, you've, you see someone that you want to like learn from? Yeah. You get
Speaker 4 00:38:03 To, you know, it might be that I know
Speaker 2 00:38:05 Who might be a really good person to copy on is like Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:38:08 Self
Speaker 2 00:38:09 Serving, which Yeah. <laugh> maybe
Speaker 3 00:38:10 A little bit. I'd really love if you came and did a show. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:38:13 Well it's, you know, I, I mean we all have our different
Speaker 2 00:38:16 Nah, that's great.
Speaker 4 00:38:17 Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's great. And the, uh, the challenges, like there's a hundred day challenge coming up and I did it last year. It was like February, I think it started February 13th. And it was, you know, that kind of time of year where you're like, Hmm. And I, what do I do? Yeah. What do I do? So I thought I'll do this. And I, I love the, for some reason to, to have some focus and I didn't really pick a theme, but I took all my watercolor paper and made five inch squares mm-hmm. <affirmative> Okay. And had it already. And I had my paint ready and then I just decided to start and see where it took me. And what it ended up being was just a painting every day of the day before something that caught my eye. Something that Okay. Was memorable or mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 4 00:39:01 Or it might just even just be a, a flower or whatever. But some of, like, I would do a lot from memory. So like, oh, I went to a garden center, I saw a cat. So I just made it up and it was really, it was really fun. And it, and I got all the a hundred paintings. I put 'em all on Instagram, Sally Dean Art is my Instagram thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then last Christmas for the first time, the art complex, the staff and the volunteers did a art, um, sale. Yep. And I framed all the, um, I didn't frame 'em, I mattered them all. Yep. And had them already, some of them were framed, got up rid of all those frames,
Speaker 2 00:39:36 <laugh> and Yeah. Don't, you're like, can I bring 'em back? Yeah, no, if they don't go, they went. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:39:42 Yeah. So that was good. And um, I also did a moon calendar where I, I did the, like all the Native American moons. Oh cool. And that was really a, a big hit. And I had them printed up locally. So next year I'm gonna do them, um, again or this end of this year cuz the moon full moons are different days every year. Yeah. So it's, it's a great opportunity and um, I gonna try to find a printer that will do 'em, um, on a thicker stock and really be organized, you know? Yeah. I did it sort of last minute. But
Speaker 3 00:40:12 Looter stuff's very popular. We, we've always had people bring us in like, you know, the lunar charts and uh, the different phases. We get a lot of those, um, TimeLapse photographs of, you know, the different, you know, stars, but then occasionally you get the ones of like the moon and you, you just get such a, it's amazing, you know, high resolution shot. Sometimes with those ways they look really, really cool. Yeah. Then you get the other ones where they're just kind of trailing our cross. I think, uh, Trish has one Yeah. Where, where its
Speaker 2 00:40:37 Just kinda like, yeah. Yeah. There across there was one. Yeah. She one in
Speaker 3 00:40:41 The last show. So Yeah. The lunar stuff's always very popular.
Speaker 4 00:40:43 Yeah. Well, and I always wanna remember when the full moon rises, cuz it's really fun to watch it rise. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:40:49 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:40:49 If you time it right. And sometimes it's like four o'clock in the afternoon and Right. Go down to like harbor and there's a whole bunch of Moon Watchers standing out on the rocks and you think, oh, it's never gonna come. And all of a sudden this giant thing comes out. Yeah. And it's really
Speaker 3 00:41:03 Cool. There's been a couple times I've had somebody stop in front of me to try and do it with the phone out the, out the thing. And I'm like, you're in the road. Pull over. I know. At least you know, I know. I'm, I'm like, you know, why aren't you going, the light's green. Oh, your phone's out the window looking at the moon, you know. No, because I got a couple areas near me where I have like a little private reservoir and there's like this one spot on this road where it's open perfectly. That's nice. And it's just above all this pine Nice. That's there. Nice. And like the reflection's always perfect. Yeah. So people always stop there. Unfortunately, it's right before this bend and turn and people don't always see it <laugh>, so, you know. Yeah. But, uh,
Speaker 4 00:41:37 Well if you go down to Situate Harbor on a full moon, especially a super moon mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you get to the Situate yacht club. Yeah. The photographers are all lined
Speaker 3 00:41:47 Up. Yeah. Somebody actually brought in a painting of the people all outside Oh. That's lined a idea on the rocks and like a painting of all the people looking and they're just all, you know, looking up. It was really cool.
Speaker 4 00:41:56 We all have these giant cameras in it, you know? Yeah. I show up with like
Speaker 2 00:41:59 <laugh>,
Speaker 4 00:42:00 I think I'll just like Cal Mahoney, he does awesome stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> his, he can line it up like they took the top of the lighthouse off to fix it. Oh, okay. So he got a photo of the moon right on the top of the
Speaker 3 00:42:13 Oh's.
Speaker 4 00:42:14 Awesome. The empty light
Speaker 3 00:42:15 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:42:15 <laugh>. Yeah. Koft is a
Speaker 4 00:42:16 Great, his, yeah. His gallery is in, um, Kennedy next to Kennedy. Yeah. He's, he's got a beautiful gallery, so
Speaker 3 00:42:23 That's really, yeah. He had some pieces in the, the last show too. I think so. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:42:27 Yeah. He's on the blocks for one of the field trips we want to get down.
Speaker 3 00:42:30 There you goes. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:42:31 Yeah. Oh yeah. You gotta go down there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 2 00:42:33 Yeah. Yeah. We bought a bunch of, uh, we bought a bunch of the, he's the one that did the, the Gators that we had.
Speaker 3 00:42:40 Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 00:42:40 That's where I got all those from. Okay. Yeah. I, I have one, I have a piece of his from his original studio that was in, in the harbor when he was back in the harbor, you know, um, he does some interesting stuff. Doesn't use a lot of, uh, frames. Cause
Speaker 4 00:42:55 Like he use his alternative stuff, drift wood and Yeah. He shoot, uh, prints on metal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:43:01 The print, the piece I have, yeah. The piece I have of his is on metal and then it's, uh, on standoffs until like a giant piece of wood and it's like a really interesting piece. Yeah. Yeah. Not framed and hanging in my house, so Yeah. Okay. Yeah. <laugh> that means I must, yeah.
Speaker 4 00:43:17 Yeah. Well my husband builds a lot of my frames too. And, uh, they're,
Speaker 3 00:43:21 It's always, it's always handy to have someone around who can help with
Speaker 2 00:43:25 That kind of stuff. Yeah. I have two of, of your pieces that Jen, uh, had bought. Um, uh, she bought 'em from a yoga studio. Darlene Bradley's.
Speaker 4 00:43:31 Yeah, that's right. I, and they're framed in my husband's
Speaker 2 00:43:34 Frame. Yeah. And they, yeah, they got the, they got the, they got the, uh, the, the what? I don't know what that's called. Like the pegs.
Speaker 4 00:43:40 Yeah, he, that was, that was before he bought, we got this special thing that, that did, I don't know what you call it. Almost like Ducktails
Speaker 3 00:43:47 Biscuit thing. Oh, the biscuit Jointers. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:43:50 He, uh, he's been, my husband plays pickleball now a lot. So
Speaker 2 00:43:54 <laugh>. Yeah. He is less, less framing for not so much framing. He's really competitive. Pickleball
Speaker 3 00:43:58 He love, he's taken another Yeah. We've heard many of pickleball stories here,
Speaker 4 00:44:01 So, great. It's great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:44:03 So the, uh, the show that's coming up mm-hmm. <affirmative>, what's the name? What's the,
Speaker 4 00:44:07 The name of it? Yeah, it's called Reimagining.
Speaker 2 00:44:09 Reimagining. Yep.
Speaker 4 00:44:10 Okay. So everything's kind of like, it's recycling this work that mm-hmm. <affirmative> I did so many years ago and I have all the journals from, for, from Forever Really?
Speaker 2 00:44:22 So re-imagining. So it's all stuff that you'd done years ago and
Speaker 4 00:44:26 It's now yeah's all based on, and then I look at it and then I go from
Speaker 3 00:44:29 There. Then you do something new from Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:44:30 Do, yeah. I do something new so I'm re sort of imagining it. Yeah. And some of them are literally just doodles like I do. And I think a lot of it back then, you know, before the cell phone, I was just bored. I just always had to draw. I couldn't stand not doing something. Yeah. Um, and it, and it is kind of a shame that the phone has kind of, you know, but I've learned a lot on YouTube. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:44:54 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:44:55 Yeah. YouTube is a very, very valuable tool for that kind of thing. It is a valuable, but do you find, like now going back through these and then reworking 'em, does it trigger the memory of when you did the Doodle Uhhuh? <affirmative>?
Speaker 4 00:45:05 Yep. Because I, it's a mystery and I've got pictures of people, I'm like, who was that? You know? Or they might have an address and I, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:45:13 So did you write down notes in a lot
Speaker 4 00:45:14 Of the stuff? Some of them I have notes, yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And some of them I journaled. And then some of them I, I'm like, I better get rid of this cuz I don't want anyone
Speaker 2 00:45:23 <laugh>. How many, how many of those, how, how many of those, uh oh. Sketchbooks do you, you have just filled with stuff?
Speaker 4 00:45:30 Probably like 150 or so. No kidding. I mean, and they're all jammed in, in my studio. Yep. And I've got so many. Um, wow.
Speaker 2 00:45:36 And how many did you end up going through to like, select book
Speaker 4 00:45:39 Pieces? Oh, a lot. But, and there's a lot still. I just saw another like, whole cubicle that I haven't gone through yet. Um, but
Speaker 2 00:45:46 Do you take pages out of any of item? No, I leave 'em in tag. I mean, it's like a work of art.
Speaker 4 00:45:52 Well, I thought originally, oh, if I do a nice thing, I'll slice it out and frame it and it ends up, it's the journal itself is the art and Yeah. Yeah. I have
Speaker 3 00:45:59 A really, it becomes less whole when you do that.
Speaker 2 00:46:01 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:46:01 Yeah. But, um, but, but now I can actually take a photo of it and Yeah. And so that's, that's cool. But, um, the, yeah. The, the journals and it, it's funny cuz almost every single one, when I go through, there's usually about 10 pages at the end that I don't do <laugh>. Like I can't finish it, you
Speaker 3 00:46:19 Know,
Speaker 4 00:46:19 So. Yeah. Yeah. Like I should, that's a waste. I should just cut those out. But, yeah. Um, but that's just, you know, you get, there's something about a new journal and sometimes you get a journal and it's like, not super
Speaker 2 00:46:30 Right. Like Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:46:31 It's just doesn't feel right and you never can, and then you get another one and it just is, is right. I don't know why. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, certain ones, these are the old, you know, black bound, this one's got duct tape. It's, it's been through a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:46:44 Um, that must be something just to even, you know, you should set up a camera and just like flip through, do a YouTube video. Yeah. YouTube say 150 of 'em. Just a Yeah. Just a flip through. And just like to show like, the sketches and the
Speaker 4 00:46:56 Process. Well, that's on my list to, to really like, set up a nice place to photograph and do that. Yeah. Because, um, they get buried. You know, you'd never see 'em again. Oh, sure. And if you could see it on a YouTube, it would be, it would be cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:47:08 I found an old portfolio from college that I hadn't seen in years, like buried behind a bureau and stuff Nice. In the attic. And I took it out. I'm like, oh my God, what's this? And I'm like going through, I'm like, oh, it's my, this is the thing I brought around to my colleges when I was trying to get into college. So where did you go? Uh, I went to Meso. Cool. That's where I ended up going anyway. Yeah. That's what I couldn't afford at the time. Uh, <laugh>, that's a good school. But, um, yeah, no, I went through that for yeah. Several years before. It just became something I couldn't financially afford and Yeah. Went to work. But all in all, it gave me all the stuff I need to know for working here. So I never look at it as a wasted opportunity. Never.
Speaker 4 00:47:43 It's always a
Speaker 3 00:47:44 No. Never there. There's bad times about it from everything. You know, the, the crunch of trying to get things done for finals and a few things along those lines. But most of the time it was great. You know? So,
Speaker 2 00:47:54 And you, you were at the museum school
Speaker 4 00:47:56 Yourself? Yeah, I went to museum school. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:47:57 I took classes there for Did you really? I used to take a night. I, uh, you know, I'd never like formally, you know, went to any school. I think
Speaker 4 00:48:05 I heard you talking with Rita s about that.
Speaker 2 00:48:07 Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's a fun, a fun place. I lived around the corner. Yeah. So I used to like, take classes there at night. Yeah. You know. Um, but yeah, I mean, and then I took classes there a few years ago just cause I was wanting to, you know, it just as like an inspiration thing, you know what I mean? I took like a fun, uh, like a color theory class mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, that was probably like, you know, a number of years ago. But now it's tough too cause like the kids are in age where it's like, you'll
Speaker 4 00:48:32 Get the time.
Speaker 2 00:48:32 Yeah. I mean, I, but I feel like it's, I, you know who I took cla at this where I miss Chris Brennan. Oh yeah. I took a class at the museum school at She would like it was part of a program there. Right, right. That she graduated from. That was where I first met her. That's so cool. I was, she end up working here too. She did work there for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:48:49 Yeah. It's, it's a small world
Speaker 2 00:48:50 Here. Yeah, no, it, it is. Yeah. She's a good, I mean, she was, I was just in a, you know, I think, you know, I'm, I'm not a student. I'm not, you know, finding time for things is just, you know, is tough. Yeah. But, uh, you know, she was in the class that I took that it's, you know, it's funny. I didn't, I like, I forget about that. Um,
Speaker 3 00:49:07 Where is the museum school?
Speaker 2 00:49:09 It's right behind the mfa. Right across the street. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:49:11 Okay. The Fenway. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:49:12 Okay. Yeah, I took another class there that was really cool. Um, where we basically just went over to the mu like the teacher brought us over to the, you know, the mfa. I think it was a Wednesday night cuz it was also like the night, the drawing, you know, or the, we just went in and did like, looked at pieces and then we'd go back and talk about them. You know, it was, you know, interesting class.
Speaker 4 00:49:32 Yeah. I think that was my favorite thing about going to the museum school is like, every day I would go into the MFA and just wander around. Yeah. I never got to do like, the old masterclass where you set up in front of the, I don't even think they let you do that anymore, but I still love to go in there and, and bring a sketchbook. And you can get like a folding stool. You can go down into the basement where it's really quiet and really there's, it's just the best museum. Yeah. I love it.
Speaker 2 00:49:58 Yeah. It's not,
Speaker 4 00:49:58 Don't get in there much, but plan to.
Speaker 2 00:50:01 Yeah. You think be, you know, I love that for the school. You, I know <laugh>, I keep wait coming
Speaker 3 00:50:07 <laugh>, I keep waiting for the day. My kid's gonna bring home the thing where they're saying like, oh, we're going to the, oh, need chaperone. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's like, we're the kids, I don't know. I'm looking at this painting. Hold on. Yeah. Right, right,
Speaker 4 00:50:17 Right. Yeah, no, it's, it's a wonderful And the Garden Museum is so great too.
Speaker 2 00:50:21 Yeah. The gardener was another
Speaker 4 00:50:24 Gem. A good perk of the live working at a museum is I, I get to go into all those museums for free. So Yeah. I could go into the gardener for 15 minutes and just breathe in the, the mossy air <laugh>, you know, but I, you know, it's, I haven't gone into Boston nearly at all since Covid. I gotta get out of my Yeah. But it's so nice to be home too, so. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:50:45 Yeah. I'm planning a trip with Rita to go to the museum. Yeah. I gotta I gotta nail down the dates on that just cuz you know her. Do you know? Re re Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you know, just with the, the spirit artists. Yeah. Like, oh, I,
Speaker 4 00:50:59 I love that. Yeah. I think that's fascinating. I would love to be at one of those events where she does the spirit drawings.
Speaker 3 00:51:04 Yeah. Just to see how it, uh, plays.
Speaker 2 00:51:06 I just wanna see what, how she, like, how she interprets some stuff and talk to her, her about looking at pieces with her. Just cuz I feel like it's, you know, like her, the way she feels, you know, people's energy and feels like it, you know, energy of the pieces that just be interesting to Yeah. You know, to be with her and, you know, to, to pick her brain and ask her questions as she's like, you know, taking, you know, taking in the emotions of some of the pieces.
Speaker 3 00:51:30 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:51:32 Yeah. She's, she's unique. Yeah. <laugh> and her a studio mate. Marie. Yeah. Peters is phenomenal too. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's so great. Yeah. The Rockland went through the Rockland Studios, both buildings and has blown away this year, I thought was like,
Speaker 2 00:51:46 Wow. Yeah. Mary, who works, she, yeah, she's part of that. What that next, what's the ship?
Speaker 3 00:51:52 Uh, it's on the fourth, I believe. It's a, um, uh, special event where they do like a, uh, um, they're having a couple of chefs come in and it's like a food night. Oh, nice. And they're doing like a seven course meal
Speaker 4 00:52:03 At the right building.
Speaker 3 00:52:04 It's on the sandpaper factory. Oh, sandpaper.
Speaker 4 00:52:06 Yeah. That buildings really come into its
Speaker 3 00:52:09 Own. Yeah. It's it's been very popular lately and they've been doing a lot of stuff out of there too. I know we've, we've done several postings for them for mm-hmm. <affirmative>, different shows. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But, um, yeah, they're gonna have like, it's a full seven course, you know, set up for it and it's like $25 a ticket. You Wow. Sign up before a certain date and that way they know how many people are coming and they can set it all up. But there's four or five featured artists, Mary's one of them, um, for it. So. That sounds great.
Speaker 2 00:52:34 Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. The fourth, get it outta the way cuz it, you know, then you go over, then you go over, oh, it's
Speaker 3 00:52:41 On show. It's on the fourth.
Speaker 4 00:52:42 My, I'm free in the evening <laugh>. And after you
Speaker 2 00:52:46 Set, after you set up the show? Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:52:47 I, I have to have it set up in the morning. Yeah. Um, I think it'll ha it'll go quick though, cuz I've, everything in it is big. Yeah. The painting on the postcard is six feet wide.
Speaker 2 00:52:57 No kidding. Yeah. How many pieces do you, do you have?
Speaker 4 00:53:00 Uh, it's probably like
Speaker 2 00:53:01 12. So that's gonna be quite a contrast from Jodi's show. Yeah. Which she had like a
Speaker 4 00:53:06 Hundred something.
Speaker 2 00:53:06 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I I want to say, did she have 72 and then like, when they extended the show, I think that she took some down. She swapped
Speaker 3 00:53:15 Some stuff
Speaker 4 00:53:15 Out. Yeah, swapped some.
Speaker 2 00:53:16 Yeah. I think that's great. People probably wanted some of their piece, the stuff
Speaker 3 00:53:18 That they bought. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:53:19 <laugh>. Oh yeah, no, she, she's so cool. Like she, the way she embraced that and has is still going.
Speaker 2 00:53:26 Did you see the graph paper?
Speaker 4 00:53:28 Oh, the,
Speaker 2 00:53:28 No, the design, like the, the to scale, uh, graph paper of, of the uh, of the wall. Oh, of
Speaker 4 00:53:35 The wall. Yeah. Yeah. Did you help her with that or
Speaker 2 00:53:37 No, no, no. But she's a math person. Yeah. No, she sh I, I helped her build the, she bought the, the foam board here and I helped her with a, like a concept on how she could mount the boards. Yes. So she could mount the pieces onto it.
Speaker 4 00:53:52 The blue, like Yeah. Those
Speaker 2 00:53:54 Look great. Yeah. I, I just cut her like, um, some stretcher bar stock and, and gave, gave her that and we like, kind of made like a small frame that she could wire. Cuz she showed me, she's like, I did this last time with a, an old wooden ruler. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I was like, well, you know, I've gotta get something that's a little gonna work a little bit better than the wooden ruler. We'll just do this and we'll, you know, we can put some hangers on it and then you can hang it off the, the stuff. But Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:54:20 Yeah. I thought it looked great. I mean, what a great solution cuz it's those molding hooks are not easy to work with. No. Sometimes the, you know, you can only hang so many, but to, to do that I thought it was beautiful.
Speaker 2 00:54:30 Yeah. The hanging systems are talked. What do they use over in Duxbury?
Speaker 4 00:54:33 Well, we use nails. Nails on the wall.
Speaker 2 00:54:35 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:54:36 <laugh> in the, but I have in the satellite gallery, the Alden Studio Gallery that I was talking about before we bought a system mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it's, it's really nice. The, the hooks are beautiful, they're heavy. Um, in fact, we just installed one in the museum and the, the cables are clear. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it's tricky. Like we use those D-rings that, um, so you can put two hooks in there and if the hooks are positioned right, they'll hang. Right. But it's a little tricky, but it's nice. Yeah. Cuz you can, you don't have to damage the wall and you can move.
Speaker 3 00:55:03 Yeah, exactly. You can reposition.
Speaker 4 00:55:06 Yeah. I mean, there's no other way at the hang him, but
Speaker 2 00:55:08 I think it looks nicer when this nails on the wall <crosstalk>. That's, that's what we done. Good. But we have, we have Jerome.
Speaker 3 00:55:14 Yeah, we have, we have onsite repair. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:55:17 It's, he comes by and doing some, uh,
Speaker 4 00:55:20 It looks so good work for us. I know. I can't
Speaker 3 00:55:21 Wait to spare gallons of paint out back that we can match everything up to. Yeah, I
Speaker 2 00:55:25 Know
Speaker 4 00:55:25 In my house there's holes in the wall. Nobody fixes 'em but me. So we get time to <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:55:32 So, so 12. Yeah. So going from her 72 to your 12 is gonna be a Yeah, it'll be, it's gonna be a different look for those. I
Speaker 4 00:55:38 Think
Speaker 3 00:55:38 It'll be quick. Are they mostly pieces in size to this or are they you? I've got variety of
Speaker 4 00:55:43 Got two. Well, no, I've got, yeah, I've got a couple this size. I've got the six foot one. I got three 20 by twenties. I got two sculptural pieces that are just, um, figures that are mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, like three and a half feet tall. And then, um, the two big watercolors that are framed. So I'm not even sure how many I have. I, I gotta, I gotta go through and I, I also wanna do some labels that, that show the sketches so they see the origin of some of these. And uhhuh <affirmative> maybe a little bit of a description of, of the process and how I did these sketches and someone said I should even like, frame one of the be the books, like put it in a a
Speaker 2 00:56:19 Box. I, I, again, I'm thinking they're like, you know, you see the sketchbooks and the museum like some of the museums too, like
Speaker 4 00:56:24 In like a case. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:56:26 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:56:26 If I could do
Speaker 3 00:56:27 It on the, you could always do the ones that, you know, you can open them up and Yeah. Take it back out so it's not permanently in
Speaker 4 00:56:31 There. Yeah. I could, I could that it's, the problem is it's in the library. No. And there's no one really watching, so you can't really have it be Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, you
Speaker 2 00:56:41 Could probably do like a plexi box or something like that. Or if you had it on a pedestal and put something over it. But I mean, I think in theory someone could probably just, you know, tip it over. But I think it would be a little, you know, I think if it's in a, in in something, it would probably, you know, people probably wouldn't be messing around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:56:59 I think, well we did the one that we had for that, that book that we did before, it was like on a slant in the thing where it had like a ledge to keep it from sliding forward. Did a buildup around it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then everything opened from the back. So you could take it like once on the wall. Yep. Looks like it's permanently framed. You can take it off and like the back opened up and we could, you could remove the book and see it just had on like a, a wedge.
Speaker 4 00:57:19 I'll find a, a sketchbook and and bring it in. Have you guys do that?
Speaker 2 00:57:22 Yeah, they have. I mean I think that that would be like a, especially since, I mean, you maybe bring, you should bring a few for like your, your the opening reception the ninth, you know, you know, cuz you know what, you know I'll be there. Which, which one? Yeah. You know, you're there and then you have some that to show like what they're, what they're re-imagined. Right. You know, what it came from. Yeah. Would kind of be a cool touch.
Speaker 4 00:57:44 I think so.
Speaker 2 00:57:45 So reception's on the ninth. Yep.
Speaker 4 00:57:47 Five 30 to seven 30
Speaker 2 00:57:48 Being bring in a big crowd.
Speaker 4 00:57:51 Oh yeah. <laugh>, who knows. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:57:54 You
Speaker 3 00:57:55 This podcast. We will
Speaker 2 00:57:56 You have the, you have the group though. You know, you guys all come out and support each other, right?
Speaker 4 00:58:00 Yeah. We, they, they're always gonna, you know, show up and um, it'll just be fun. I mean, I don't know, I just get good. I wanna have Cindy
Speaker 3 00:58:08 MCs. There you go. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:58:09 Yeah. They get the
Speaker 2 00:58:11 <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:58:12 <laugh>, Cindy Macker's daughter does that, did that great food
Speaker 2 00:58:16 Thing
Speaker 4 00:58:16 Oh. For you guys. And I said, I want food like that. I
Speaker 2 00:58:19 Mean food character or what do they, they call those things? The boards. Um,
Speaker 3 00:58:23 Oh, the charcuterie boards.
Speaker 4 00:58:25 See he knows, yeah. Charcuterie board.
Speaker 3 00:58:27 Yeah. A lot of people can't see it.
Speaker 2 00:58:28 I can't
Speaker 4 00:58:29 <laugh> but her daughter, that's her business. So I said if I even popular lost that. And then a few extra things cuz you know, uh, left to me it would be like Ritz crackers and Velvetas <laugh>, you know, not really. Couple
Speaker 2 00:58:42 Of two lit balls. <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:58:44 The Prives does
Speaker 4 00:58:46 EMREs.
Speaker 3 00:58:46 Oh yeah, I think they do. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:58:48 Yeah. But I'd like to support her, her, uh, business if I can.
Speaker 3 00:58:51 Oh, of course. Yeah. She's got the,
Speaker 4 00:58:53 I haven't I, I gotta reach out. But yeah, it's, I'm excited about that mm-hmm. <affirmative> And I'll be excited to, to move on from there and see what happens next. Cuz cuz you know, it gets, kind of
Speaker 3 00:59:03 Gets I think once you have the show and you're up and in there, it'll be a whole different thing, you know? Yeah. So it's always the end, the you have any up and going?
Speaker 2 00:59:10 Any others in the, in the works or
Speaker 3 00:59:12 Yeah. Future projects down the line.
Speaker 2 00:59:14 Um, I, I know, I know this show a little. Yeah. The way the mother
Speaker 4 00:59:18 And daughter show. Well, Cindy Cindy's show with, with Jenna really inspired me. Yeah. I thought that was fantastic.
Speaker 3 00:59:24 Yeah, that was a, it was a very well received show too. Yeah. So, cause again, you had a couple mixes of the two of their stuff together, and then the two separate personalities, which was really nice.
Speaker 4 00:59:32 My daughters aren't nearby really. One's in Maine and the other's in Nashville. So it might be tricky on that one. We thought about maybe we'd mail something around, you know, it might be kind of fun. But, um, well,
Speaker 2 00:59:42 It seems that, I mean, it, I think that that's like a cool way to connect, you know? Yeah. To connect with the, you know, with the daughters. So I, I hope the whole thing comes together.
Speaker 4 00:59:51 I think so. And
Speaker 2 00:59:52 Then you have plenty of time to figure it out. Wait till the last minute. Yeah. <laugh> pressure of a coming <laugh>.
Speaker 4 01:00:02 Yeah. Yeah. Do you know anyone who can frame this stuff?
Speaker 4 01:00:05 No. We'll, we'll get it together. Um, they're both really talented artists. Um, my oldest is a designer, so she, she just picks up anything. She's so good. And, and my youngest daughter is a, um, I only have two. She is a occupational therapist, but she's got her own business and she's, um, helping kids. Uh, she's down in Nashville, but she drives to Kentucky and she does home visits. And she's created, she and her partner have created these incredible, um, resources for, for parents that have kids that might need extra help or on the spectrum or that have developmental issues and they're really going phenomenal. Her business partner and she went to, um, OT school together in Nashville. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so yeah, she's, and, but she's so creative and does a lot of her own art. And, um, so I'm excited to see what she comes up with.
Speaker 3 01:01:02 That's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:01:03 Well, yeah, I think that'll be, you know, fun show. I like, I like your stuff a lot, you know? Oh, thanks. Like I said, have a, a dog and two other pieces, you know, hanging at home. So I'm gonna definitely, you know, try to get over and check out, check out the, uh, show over at the Awesome, awesome. Great. You know, you know, maybe, you know, if you're, if you got time you want to do a walkthrough, you know. Sure. I did the journey.
Speaker 4 01:01:24 I saw that
Speaker 2 01:01:24 It was a lot of fun. You mean yours might be a little, we can probably go a little more in depth since there's only, you know Yeah. Not, not as many pieces, but, uh, yeah. Yeah. That was a, you know, I thought it was fun. We're trying to still nail down a bunch of, you know, these, these things that we're doing on location mm-hmm. <affirmative> and try to come up with the formula that works. But, uh, yeah. You know, I think it, it, it'd be, it'd be fun. I think it's fun for people to, to know what's behind the pieces. You know, like looking at this piece, like Yeah. Like, who are these people? Who are these dogs? You know?
Speaker 4 01:01:55 Yeah. I mean it's,
Speaker 2 01:01:56 It's what's this house that they're going into? You know,
Speaker 4 01:01:58 Some house that I
Speaker 2 01:01:59 Made up. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:02:00 But it, it's smaller dog's. Very corgi sized. What?
Speaker 4 01:02:03 Very
Speaker 2 01:02:03 Corgi. Yes. <laugh>. I'm
Speaker 4 01:02:05 Short-legged. Um, the, the stories, I think I don't have a lot of narrative and I am hoping that the people that look at them kind of can create their own narrative. Yeah. And, um, when, when the kids come to the art center in Cohassett, we do this visual thinking strategy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's a technique where you just show the painting and you just say, what's going on here? And mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the kids come up with their own stories. Yeah. And that's fun. That's, that's, uh, well,
Speaker 2 01:02:32 That's fun. I think there's a lot there. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:02:34 Can see a little of themselves in a painting or something. It's always nice. Like, you know.
Speaker 2 01:02:39 Yeah. These people are coming home from the,
Speaker 3 01:02:41 They're coming home from their walk with the dogs. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:02:45 They're coming
Speaker 3 01:02:45 Home to the, in the summer.
Speaker 2 01:02:47 You think it's the,
Speaker 3 01:02:48 I'm thinking summer. It's very greenish. There's a, there's nice deep blue greens. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, everything's very alive. So Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:02:54 That, that, that, uh, that harvest moon is rising in the
Speaker 4 01:02:58 Background. Yeah. There's a lot of moons coming up
Speaker 2 01:02:59 There. Yeah. Scott's in the background beeping at somebody. Yeah. You're gonna die
Speaker 4 01:03:07 <laugh>. See, that's
Speaker 3 01:03:09 Get your dogs in your house already. <laugh> <laugh>. So, yeah.
Speaker 2 01:03:15 Awesome. Well, you know, we've, I think everyone should check out the show, but one of the things that we've been asking everyone that comes in mm-hmm. <affirmative>, is to tell us a little bit about one of their favorite pieces that they have hanging at the house.
Speaker 3 01:03:27 Yep. The what's on your
Speaker 2 01:03:28 Wall we're gonna put Yeah. Uh, put you on the spot we're gonna ask you to
Speaker 4 01:03:31 Of other artists.
Speaker 2 01:03:32 Yeah. It could be your own, it could be, you know, just something. It could be, you know, and you don't have to commit to it being your favorite piece. Cause I think what we've, you know, come to find is that most people that you know, that create art, and most people that, you know, really appreciate it, you know, they have, there is like one significant piece mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but there's always like, there's always rivals or there's, you know, yeah. It might be your favorite today, but the, you know, the one next door, the one down the hall might be your favorite
Speaker 3 01:04:01 Uhtomorrow couple weeks from now. Yeah. Yeah. When the spring comes around.
Speaker 2 01:04:04 So yeah. If you just tell us about, you know, tell us about one of the pieces and why it's, uh, you know, near the top of your list today.
Speaker 4 01:04:11 I guess what, you know, one of the paintings that, I mean, I love other people's artwork. Yeah. And I'm, I'd love to have a room where I could put all of it. Oh yeah. I mean, I've gotta get a lot of it framed that I bought from OTB up the wall and stuff. But, um, for one of my pieces that I did long, long time ago was a still life. And I just set up a bunch of stuff on a table and it was a kid's table. Mm-hmm. So I was looking down and I, I just painted like fruit and flowers and it's just colorful, but it was kind of a breakthrough painting for me because I really felt myself kind of loosen up. I was looking at something, but I, that I just kind of let it happen. And I totally messed up the perspective, but I finished it anyway and I hung it.
Speaker 4 01:04:54 And I like, that's what I like the most about it. Yeah. Because it's not real. And Yeah. If you look at some of Cezanne, not to compare myself with Cezanne, but, um, the perspective isn't Right. And yeah. And it's, and it's okay. Yeah. You know, so I think that green light, um, for me was just like, just let it happen and enjoy the process. And in the end, you know, I like it. So, but I do have a lot of stuff. I've done a lot of mosaic stuff and a lot of time goes into those. So I enjoy, I enjoy those. Is
Speaker 2 01:05:26 That the Alice's house piece or is that a
Speaker 4 01:05:27 Mosaic? No, that's a painting actually that will be in the show.
Speaker 2 01:05:31 Oh, oh,
Speaker 4 01:05:32 Oh, the mosaic. I was gonna do one for them and it ended up, um, I did a mosaic. I didn't do a mosaic there, but there is a very long mosaic at the art complex museum Okay. That we did with, I partnered with, um, local pottery in Norwell and
Speaker 2 01:05:47 Oh yeah. We did a workshop
Speaker 3 01:05:48 Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:05:48 With fish. Yeah. And they, we made ceramic fish. And then over the course of several, two or three years, we pieced by piece. We cemented in, um, all the glass.
Speaker 2 01:05:59 Do you do pottery though?
Speaker 4 01:06:00 I do, yeah. I do some clay. Not so much lately, but, um, definitely have done anything. I love fibers, I love to do. I just like to texture, do stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:06:10 Yeah. So I, I bought a bunch of, like, I was one of the days I was just like, this is ridiculous. We have these like things like, so I bought a bunch of mugs, so, you know, and, uh, some, some a couple glasses just to keep the pens and stuff like that. Cause I feel like
Speaker 3 01:06:24 It's the wire bunch
Speaker 2 01:06:25 Baskets that we have. Yeah. Just has a nicer feel to it.
Speaker 4 01:06:27 Oh, yeah. There's nothing more beautiful than a handmade Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:06:31 Mug. Yeah. She has some gray,
Speaker 3 01:06:33 Gorgeous, the blended glazes and all the detail cuts. Yeah. No, all of, yeah.
Speaker 2 01:06:38 Yeah. Do you, no, you had something at Alice's house too. Did we? Or were you involved over there?
Speaker 4 01:06:44 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I involved with getting, I asked a lot of the artists, a lot of the local artists that, you know, and people were so happy to donate Rita and Donna and Liz Sullivan. I mean, and so Alice's house is a, a, it's a respite house in Hum Rock, and it's filled with original Island.
Speaker 2 01:07:02 Beautiful. Yeah. My, my wife has done some workshops on Oh, nice. Like, she does like yoga, like Oh, they do retreats and stuff like that. Okay. And, you know, yeah. You know, they've done, you know, used that facility too. So
Speaker 4 01:07:14 It's beautiful. It's, it's a shame that the old one burnt down, but the new one is beautiful and mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I just, actually, one of the paintings that's gonna be in my show I did at Alice's house, I started it there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, Janet, I just was there for a day and, and I, up on the third floor, there's a table and it's just a table and a window and the ocean right out there. Oh. Oh,
Speaker 3 01:07:34 Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:07:35 Oh man. That was, that was special. So I'm feel really lucky. I I'll do anything, you know, to help. I think it's such a wonderful organization. It
Speaker 3 01:07:44 Is. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:07:44 Um, people have found a lot of healing mm-hmm. <affirmative> in that spot. So
Speaker 3 01:07:48 Yeah. We've had a couple people come in here who have, who was family that, you know, have been through there. So it's,
Speaker 4 01:07:54 Yeah. It's, it's unique. So Janet Gibson, she's an amazing person, good friends, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yep. Really lucky.
Speaker 2 01:08:01 Yeah. Well, awesome. Do you have another piece? Maybe somebody else's that's, that you got hanging at the house or you, are you, is that gonna put you on the spot? Too much <laugh>. Pick
Speaker 4 01:08:11 A favorite, like Nancy Koala. I have some of her stuff. Um, she's just amazing. I have a beautiful Peggy Bruno. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, Jodi gave me a painting from Maine. Um, oh gosh. I have, I have, uh, Becky Eck and yeah, Becky, the latest one that I got here that Betty Green, every time I walk by, I go, he's a cat in the box. Let
Speaker 3 01:08:33 Him out. It is very realistic. It's very,
Speaker 4 01:08:35 Very realistic. No, I can't, I mean, I just, I love that artists support each other and, um, I'm not a competitive soul at all. So jury shows are tough. Um,
Speaker 2 01:08:47 It is a nice outlet to show your piece.
Speaker 4 01:08:49 Yeah. But sometime maybe if you take yourself out of the mix, you can enjoy it more. Yes. And you'll be like, well, she got in <laugh>, I didn't get in.
Speaker 3 01:08:58 Yeah. She never wanna feel that way. That's the, you
Speaker 4 01:09:00 Don't wanna feel it, but then that's just the way it is, you know, and then like the winter jury, they got over 800 entries and they only could take 80,
Speaker 3 01:09:06 So, well that's, yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 01:09:07 Are you, are you allowed to answer that one? Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:09:09 Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 2 01:09:11 I didn't know if you knows
Speaker 4 01:09:12 Fifth. Well, it's probably not the best idea because then you go to work and you're like, damn, why didn't I get in <laugh>
Speaker 2 01:09:18 <laugh>.
Speaker 4 01:09:18 Yeah. But I, I think it's, you know, you do have to have kind of thick skin when you're an artist. Cause, and there's always gonna be somebody that you think is better than you. But I think to really be authentic to yourself and to just realize this is what, and I think this is what my show is about, is like going back, I'm like, yeah, I did this then and I'm doing it now, and that's who I am. Yeah. And it took me this long to get to the realize that, but you know, tomorrow I might wanna do something totally different. Yeah, yeah. Um, the summertime, I love taking oil paint, going out on location. Yeah. Uh, it's not really my best stuff, but I don't care. I have a good time. Exactly.
Speaker 3 01:09:53 And that is, it's, that's the whole thing. So
Speaker 4 01:09:55 Fun. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:09:56 It's so many. It becomes a chore. Nobody wants to do chores. No chores <laugh>. But when you can have fun and fool around, sometimes it's, you get some really nice stuff out it.
Speaker 4 01:10:04 So. Yeah. So true.
Speaker 2 01:10:05 Well, awesome. Uh, I think it was, it was great having you here. Yeah. It's great, baby. You have your pop back in quickly when we have the, uh, the mother daughter show. Oh, yeah, yeah. Mother daughters. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:10:15 I dunno if the daughters couldn't be here, but I could be
Speaker 2 01:10:17 Here. But yeah, maybe, maybe we'll get 'em on. Maybe. We'll, maybe by then we will be at the stage of the podcast where we have,
Speaker 3 01:10:23 Uh, you have 'em Zoom in. Zoom in. Yeah. Some Zoom calls here. We could record 'em. So
Speaker 4 01:10:27 That would be
Speaker 2 01:10:27 Fun. Yeah. If we can, we can get them to see the, the show through the Zoom or, you know, have, have
Speaker 3 01:10:32 You, uh, I got the phone option on here. We can always plug the phone in and do this <laugh>. Oh yeah. So that's never a
Speaker 4 01:10:38 Problem. Good. No, I think they might happen.
Speaker 2 01:10:40 Yeah. It might be a fun, it might be a fun thing just to, you know. Yeah, yeah. See if we can get 'em to tell some stories about it to you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:10:47 Right. <laugh>
Speaker 2 01:10:49 Awesome. Yeah. Well, thanks
Speaker 3 01:10:50 So much. We'll just keep phone outta your reach so there's no, I know Mute button
Speaker 2 01:10:54 Well, is our, you know. No, our pleasure to have you. Thank you for coming on, and You're welcome. Thank you. It's always, uh, you know, I always enjoy saying hello and, and, uh, talking to you when, when you
Speaker 4 01:11:04 Oh, likewise. It's always nice to see both of you. And, uh, this, like I said, this place is like the melting pot of all the artists in soho, and it's a, it's a, a friendly frame center.
Speaker 3 01:11:14 We appreciate that. We really
Speaker 4 01:11:15 Do. We send everybody here. It's like this is the place to go. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:11:17 Maybe, we'll, maybe we'll try to get Scott down to the, to duck. I'd love you
Speaker 3 01:11:21 To duck.
Speaker 2 01:11:21 Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For something where we'll get the details on these with these artists, uh, you know, how you can get involved for Big Ink. Yeah. Know. Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:11:31 It'd be kind of cool. I'd I'd be into it. Okay. Yeah. That'd be awesome. All right.
Speaker 2 01:11:34 Yeah. Awesome. Cool. Well, you can find, uh, Sally's stuff at Sally Dean Art on Instagram. Yep. You know, you know, maybe for now we won't worry about a website or you not, you know, Instagram
Speaker 4 01:11:47 Easy. Yeah. Instagram or Sally Dean designs on Facebook, but I post on Instagram and it just goes to
Speaker 3 01:11:53 Facebook, so Yeah. It does the auto post. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:11:55 So. Awesome. It's been working for me. Yay. That's awesome. I mean, we do have the blog, the girls just wanna paint, uh, blog spot blog. Um, and it's fun to see all the gals. Uh, every month we have a theme. Actually, it's the end of the month is coming up. I bet. Get too <laugh>.
Speaker 3 01:12:10 Is that deadline?
Speaker 2 01:12:12 I saw the, because Jody wrote, uh, she had a, a quick blog about, uh, coming on through the podcast. So I gotta reach out to her and see if I can, uh, oh, yeah. See if she won't mind us re repurposing it on our blog. No,
Speaker 3 01:12:24 No. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great.
Speaker 2 01:12:26 That was great. Awesome. Well, thanks so much, Sally. And, uh, you know, continue success. Hopefully we'll get down to, you know, the, the museum, the, uh, Duxbury and Yeah. You know, maybe we'll figure out a way for, you know, to get some more involvement between the Frame Center and the, uh, the art conference.
Speaker 3 01:12:42 Absolutely. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. So, yeah.
Speaker 2 01:12:44 Awesome.
Speaker 3 01:12:45 All right, well, I wanna thank everybody for listening tonight and, uh, we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2 01:12:49 All right. See ya.
