Casual Confabs with Sean Goss, From Juror to Photographer

Casual Confabs with Sean Goss, From Juror to Photographer
The Frame Center Podcast
Casual Confabs with Sean Goss, From Juror to Photographer

Aug 13 2022 | 01:01:38

Episode August 13, 2022 01:01:38

Hosted By

Scott Brundage Dave Petty Elizabeth Perkins Don Claude

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Sean Goss is back again this time speaking about his own pieces in the FC Gallery.  Along some more tips and tricks for photographing your own pieces.

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Speaker 1 00:00:03 The Speaker 2 00:00:23 All right. What's up, everybody. Welcome to the frame center podcast, uh, where we're talking about all things, framing, uh, all things art related on the south shore and you know, who knows what else we'll talk about. I'm Dave Speaker 3 00:00:38 And I'm Scott. Thanks for listening to everybody. Uh, today we have joining us, Mr. Sean GOs back again, part two. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:00:46 Back for round two. Hello. Welcome to the podcast, Sean. <laugh> what's happening? Speaker 3 00:00:53 Yeah, what's new. Yeah. Not much just working. Um, summer's not the busiest. Speaker 2 00:01:01 Yeah. Things like things, a little quiet over at go photo during the, uh, the summer days. August Speaker 3 00:01:06 Everybody's on vacation. Well then when they get back, I'm sure you'll be busy with all the, uh, vacation photos and, uh, this or that from, uh, trips and things like that. So, and all the kids going back to school. Yes. Tons of pictures of kids getting on the school bus. Oh my God. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:01:20 Yeah, you do a lot of those. Yeah. Oh yeah. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:01:23 Nice. Glad to see. That's still a staple since I, you know, my childhood. <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:01:27 That's funny. That's only of the ones you see, like, you know, every, everybody on Facebook, everybody on social media posting the first and the last Speaker 3 00:01:34 It's the only time the clothes are still gonna look as good. When the people actually, you know, the parents bought their kids, those clothes after that, it's gonna be downhill from there. So <laugh> people know what to expect for free frame Speaker 2 00:01:43 Friday, the first week of September. Yeah. That's the easy one. Speaker 3 00:01:45 There you go. Speaker 2 00:01:46 Easy one. September's the easy, free frame. Friday. Pictures of kids going to school. Yeah, definitely easy. Yeah. Um, yeah. Makes my life a lot easier for sure. Speaker 3 00:01:56 Hey, well at least it'll be new photos up there to steal, so <laugh> yeah, Speaker 2 00:01:59 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Keep an eye out. You know, Sean, you see some good ones, you know, you wanna collaborate somehow with, uh, you know, the go photo free frame Friday. Uh oh, for sure. We can definitely make that happen. There Speaker 3 00:02:11 You go. That that'll be nice. Speaker 2 00:02:13 Rocking the, uh, rocking the frame center tie eye too. Speaking of you know, summer attire. It's it looks good. Looks good on you. Yeah. Get a lot of confidence on the ride. Something other than black <laugh> lot of compliments on that. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:02:27 Little change, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> the Speaker 2 00:02:30 Kids love it. The was shocked. Speaker 3 00:02:32 <laugh> yeah. Who's this person walking through our door. Did Speaker 2 00:02:35 You bring one bad back for her? No, not yet. Not yet. I will. Yeah. I'll Speaker 3 00:02:39 See if I can get Tara on something other than Speaker 2 00:02:40 Black. T-shirt yeah. Little, you know, little go photo, uh, you know, uh, you know, Sean and Tara, you Speaker 3 00:02:48 Got any merch that we can rip on there. I'm just <laugh> I can make some, there you go. Nice. Speaker 2 00:02:52 Nice. Speaker 3 00:02:53 We'll do a little crossover event there. That'll be nice for sure. Yeah. Well, you haven't been totally, you know, non busy you us judge the, uh, the handover day show couple about a month or so back. Yep. You know, Speaker 4 00:03:04 Uh, that was a fun little show we got what, were there 30 pieces Speaker 3 00:03:08 In that? No, it was over. We had, I think it was final count was 55 55. Yeah. Uh, not including the couple pieces you had to, to, to show that, you know why we had you as the judge. Speaker 4 00:03:19 That's always good. Yeah. Sometimes I know what I'm doing. Speaker 2 00:03:22 <laugh> yeah. Speaker 3 00:03:23 And stills, confidence. Speaker 2 00:03:26 Nice. Speaker 3 00:03:27 Any of those, uh, pieces jump out at you that you can remember off of the, uh, top of your head there? Speaker 4 00:03:31 Uh, I like Nolan's, I've seen that one before, too. Um, which I think Nolan won first place Speaker 3 00:03:37 You got first, I believe. Yeah. Was first place on, on, on that setup for the, uh, I think it was color photography or photography on that one. So Speaker 4 00:03:46 Yeah. And then, um, Eva Cass's bag is that little thing sweet that she had, which Speaker 2 00:03:52 One was that? Speaker 4 00:03:52 Uh, the three Speaker 3 00:03:53 Dimensional piece. The one with the, uh, kind of like of long handle that was almost like kidney shaped and it was like red and tan. Yeah, that was, that was neat. Speaker 4 00:04:01 Yeah. Those she she's always put together really cool pieces. Um, there's some good black and white stuff. Mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:04:08 <affirmative> Speaker 4 00:04:09 It's been a few weeks. Speaker 3 00:04:10 I'm trying to remember. Very true. No, I just see a Speaker 4 00:04:12 Lot of citrus. Speaker 3 00:04:13 Yeah. It's good. Say, Speaker 2 00:04:14 Yeah, you've seen some more since then. Speaker 3 00:04:17 Yeahs, like somebody asking us that hasn't been here for three years. Do you remember the frame I put on my picture? No, <laugh> remember that Speaker 4 00:04:22 Happens. Speaker 2 00:04:23 <laugh> yeah, we got the, uh, we got the other one coming up too. What's what's that? The, the one we we're working with the Instagram, Speaker 4 00:04:30 Uh, the IG south Speaker 2 00:04:32 Shore IG, south shore. Yep. Speaker 4 00:04:34 Um, Speaker 2 00:04:34 And you've worked with those guys for a while, Speaker 4 00:04:36 Or, uh, I've worked with, uh, Susan Hagstrom and, um, I worked with her a lot and then I know they came to try and put something together where I'm printing in your framing Speaker 2 00:04:46 For that. Speaker 4 00:04:46 Oh, okay. Um, which will be a cool, hopefully a good show. Yeah. Hoping we can get a good amount of people to Speaker 2 00:04:53 Do it. Well, that's good. Visit like the control aspect of it that like we don't have, we don't have to worry about yeah, Speaker 4 00:04:58 Exactly. You're, Speaker 2 00:04:59 You're, you're dealing with the problems with people come in with things of that are wrong size and like not formatted. Right. <laugh> Speaker 4 00:05:06 Uh, one of my, one of my good customers who already should know these things has come in with stuff the wrong size. So Speaker 2 00:05:14 I, I can't remember Speaker 3 00:05:15 Fix it too often. They know you'll fix it. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:05:17 Do we, like, I talked to her briefly about some ideas on that and where we, is it gonna be two different sizes or is it just one Speaker 4 00:05:23 Size? They might be doing two, uh, maybe they're doing 11, 14 or a square. And then, um, maybe like a 12 by 18 or Speaker 3 00:05:31 Something. Okay. Like how the outside the box used to be where it was all one size. So it was more about what the art was and not the different sizes being something that took away from everybody. Speaker 4 00:05:39 I think that was the initial idea. Speaker 3 00:05:41 Yeah. Speaker 4 00:05:41 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:05:42 Um, in and Instagram is now not just four. It's not just square Speaker 4 00:05:46 Formats. Uh, no, I think, uh, it's like a four by five, if you wanna do something vertical. Uh, and then if you wanna put something horizontal, you have to like white box it. Oh, zoom it out or whatever Speaker 3 00:05:57 Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 2 00:05:59 Yeah. Yeah. So that, that one will be, that should be fun. Yeah. I mean, in Cal's judging that one. Right, right. Speaker 4 00:06:06 Yeah. Cal's judging it. And I think it's gonna be at the brewery down the Speaker 2 00:06:11 Situation. Yeah. Is it untold Speaker 4 00:06:12 Brewery untold? Yep. Speaker 3 00:06:13 Oh, when's that? When's that happening? Speaker 4 00:06:16 I don't like a rough paper in front Speaker 3 00:06:18 Of me. A rough. Speaker 2 00:06:19 I'm gonna pull it out. Cause if Claude posted that one on Instagram the other day, I see. Yeah. So I think we can, uh, Speaker 4 00:06:26 I did as well Speaker 2 00:06:27 Quickly, uh, search the search, the phone and, uh, track that down. Speaker 4 00:06:33 Who's gonna beat you. That's gonna, Speaker 2 00:06:35 Uh that's. Yeah, I'm trying, but I'm finding all, I'm finding stuff about your show on here. You know, Nancy col show coming up. Speaker 4 00:06:44 It is September 10th. Okay. 5:00 PM. Untold brewing. Speaker 3 00:06:51 Geez. Month away then. Huh? Speaker 2 00:06:53 Yep. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. When, when what's the, when did, are all the frames getting done on that? Speaker 3 00:06:59 September 9th? That's Speaker 4 00:07:00 Your department? Speaker 2 00:07:00 September 9th, Speaker 3 00:07:01 September 9th. Say the day Speaker 2 00:07:02 Before. Yeah. Since we, you know, I'm guessing that that's all getting dropped off on the week that we work Speaker 3 00:07:07 Best under pressure. We know this. Speaker 2 00:07:08 You, you Dina mark. Oh yeah. Not Kayla are all off. Yeah. That, that's probably how that's gonna show blame Speaker 3 00:07:15 The school system. I gotta home and watch Mike children. Speaker 2 00:07:18 <laugh> I would imagine, I would imagine that, uh, that that's how it's gonna shake out. It's gonna be the last week in September. I mean, last week in August that they could all get dropped off when we are a little understaffed, but Speaker 4 00:07:29 If you need help assembling Speaker 2 00:07:31 And you can call. Yeah. I'm I'm sure. I'm sure it'll be, I'm sure it'll all shake out. Alright. Speaker 3 00:07:35 Worse comes to worse. I'll shoot the kid out back with this Nintendo switch and I'll come in and it won't be a problem. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:07:41 It's fine. That one should be fun. We're gonna have it'll it shouldn't have like a nice uniform look. Is that group someone you like, you dealt with a lot of people from that group or just Susan or, Speaker 4 00:07:51 Uh, just Susan for the most part. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:07:54 Is there a theme that goes along with that one at all? Or is it like just whatever subject matter you want? Like it's not like just like south shore. It is all the images of the south shore then. Okay. Speaker 4 00:08:02 I think, I think they're calling it scenes of the south Speaker 3 00:08:03 Shore. That would make sense then, you know, if it was, you know, pictures of the north shore we'd have problems. Speaker 2 00:08:09 So, uh, if you done, you've done a lot with Cal too, or, Speaker 4 00:08:13 Uh, just a little bit. I think you guys initially sent Cal to me. Speaker 2 00:08:16 Oh really? Yeah. Speaker 4 00:08:19 Um, for one of the shows he was doing. Yeah. I wanna say you guys sent them down to me first. Speaker 3 00:08:25 I sent a lot of people you way Sean? I don't know. Speaker 4 00:08:27 It was either, it was either you guys or it was hunts. Hunts might have sent him down too. Speaker 2 00:08:30 Yeah, no, I mean, he, I, I communicate with him a bit. I mean, he does a lot of like stuff that's printed on, like yeah. Like a lot of like things. Yeah. He Speaker 4 00:08:37 Like the wood Speaker 2 00:08:38 In the matter there's lot of great stuff. I have one of his, I have one of his pieces on metal and that he had mounted it with like the standoffs, like a piece of like, mm-hmm, <affirmative> a big piece of like driftwood is like a really interesting piece. That's kind of, it's one of the few that I have that hang on the wall that don't have a, a frame around him. Speaker 3 00:08:56 <laugh> yeah, no, Speaker 2 00:08:57 But yeah, like, yeah, he does some really cool stuff. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, he does some, some, uh, things we did like a, uh, I think we did a, like, what was it? Black Friday sale type thing with him, like where he had some canvases. So we did like his couple set, uh, set frame sizes, like, you know, just like a black and a white 6, 24. Ah, no, these ones were big. These ones were, were bigger. I think they were like 2030s maybe. Or Speaker 4 00:09:23 Might have been the images that were 16, 24. Yeah. Because that's the, that's the thing I remember when I first met him, everything had to be 16, 24. Speaker 2 00:09:30 Likes that format. Speaker 3 00:09:31 Yeah. And yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:32 Yeah. But he's a good guy. Good. Uh, he has a nice studio he's down in Kennedy's I think, Speaker 4 00:09:37 I think so. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:09:38 Yeah. Um, his I've been meaning to get over to his, his new space. I'd been to a space years ago when he was Inwood Harbor, but mm-hmm <affirmative>, he's got a good, I think he's got that, uh, situate, uh, market corner. Speaker 4 00:09:50 Yeah. Oh, he does. Speaker 3 00:09:52 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:09:53 So that should be a fun one. I was, uh, going back and forth with him the other day. I'm trying to get a, an address from him for a free frame Friday, uh, you know, uh, job that I have put together. And I, you know, calling in, uh, you know, calling, you know, calling in the big guns, I've had to call in a lot of people for some addresses. I had to get one from you the other day. Speaker 3 00:10:14 Yes she did. Yeah. So Speaker 2 00:10:17 We're working on, we're working on it, Speaker 3 00:10:18 Expanding the, uh, the influenced area there. Yeah. <laugh>, can't go through the old yellow pages and stuff anymore. Speaker 2 00:10:26 Yeah, well, yeah, Speaker 3 00:10:28 But, uh, I mean, you're used to helping a lot of people, John, especially like, uh, speaking in Nolan, you know, from, from what he was saying, you, you got him, you were helping him out when he first was getting Speaker 4 00:10:39 Started Speaker 3 00:10:39 When he dropped in. No, Speaker 4 00:10:41 One's like pretty new to photography, Speaker 3 00:10:43 Right? Yeah. Only the last couple years you got started during COVID right. You pick him up as a hobby. Yep. Speaker 4 00:10:47 Yeah. And he is, he's still young. So he has plenty of time. Yeah. But, uh, he has a good eye for stuff. I kind of like, I don't wanna say like mentors, the wrong word for no, but like gave him like pointers tips on yeah. Advice on equipment, different things you can do. Mm-hmm <affirmative> editing tips, stuff like that. Yep. Uh, a lot of storage tips, which is what a lot of people run into. Sure. When they first get into it, storing all your digital files and like how you're gonna manage your workflow and stuff like Speaker 3 00:11:14 That. Yeah. Cause I went through his website after, uh, we had our interview here from the Hanover thing and uh, checked out pieces. I mean, I know he specialize in a lot of the automotive shots, that thing, but then he is got the drone shots, uh, from all his, you know, nature scenes and things like that. And they're Speaker 4 00:11:29 His drone stuff is cool. Speaker 3 00:11:30 Like the overhead shot of the lighthouse straight down, it's not a view typically you see, or mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, from over jagged rocks that nobody can usually stand on to take a photograph cuz the waves are crashing up or anything. You can't usually get that angle unless you're on a boat, you know? Right. It's uh, you know yeah. Interesting to see stuff from a different perspective than normal Speaker 4 00:11:49 And drones have like given people that ability. Right. Which is what's really cool. Speaker 3 00:11:52 Yeah. Um, Speaker 4 00:11:55 Unless you crash him, I Speaker 3 00:11:57 Not, then it's an expensive hobby <laugh> I think, Speaker 4 00:11:59 I think Nolan actually lost one of his drones in the ocean Speaker 3 00:12:03 A few Speaker 2 00:12:03 Weeks ago. Really. Speaker 3 00:12:04 Not only photographer, but pilot as well. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:12:07 Um, Hey, so what, so what, when you talk about the storage stuff, uh, Sean, what, what is like what's, what's the tip? I mean that people are getting hung up on. I would imagine like, since you can take like a thousand photographs right now and you know, Speaker 4 00:12:23 Minutes. Yeah. So one of the problems that I see a lot of people do is like, if you're going to buy like a new laptop yeah. You know, like, uh, apple will offer like a MacBook pro yeah. With only 256 gigs worth of like flash storage. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and the hard part with something like apple in general is if you want to upgrade that storage, it ends up costing a lot. So a lot of people will cut corners in that respect on the computer end. Yep. But then have no place to store anything. And if they're doing that, they're using either like external drives mm-hmm <affirmative> they have to drag around. Yep. Yep. Uh, which makes things somewhat easy. But if you have multiple of 'em, it can be a real pain. Speaker 3 00:13:04 Yeah. Yeah. If you don't label 'em or if you right. Replace one, you you're lost, you Speaker 4 00:13:08 Know, you know, you, you go somewhere and then, oh, you don't have it with you Uhhuh, what are you gonna do? Speaker 3 00:13:13 Um, or you forget the cord that runs between the two or Speaker 4 00:13:15 Yeah. You know, so like your options are, you know, do you wanna do that? Do you wanna do some sort of cloud storage? Speaker 2 00:13:22 Yeah. Is cloud storage a better option or is it, Speaker 4 00:13:25 Um, depends. I don't really do any cloud storage personally. Speaker 2 00:13:29 Any, any reason this is all like way outta my wheelhouse, Speaker 4 00:13:33 Uh, with cloud storage, you're basically storing everything on somebody else's computer and that just never sat right with me. Speaker 3 00:13:39 Yeah. Yeah. I can understand that. Speaker 4 00:13:41 Yep. So like I use, uh, NAS drives, which is like network attach, attached storage mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and I use like backup drives, but I try and make redundant copies. The hard part is, is I just buy a lot of storage. Yeah. So like my NAS drives are 36 terabytes a piece. So like they'll hold more than I would need at any given time. And if I fill those, it's been long enough that it's not like I'm buying a new drive every month. Speaker 2 00:14:10 Mm-hmm <affirmative> is, that's a, that's a big business. Right. Cause I think I listening to a podcast and they were talking about like how they're trying to like make like these like just like data storage centers and they're trying to do, 'em like all green. So they're doing, 'em like, I think it was like, I think the thing I was listening to, they were talking about a Montana. Yeah. And like, you know, so that they're using like what, like a dam, like the dam. So it's like water was that water power. Right. Speaker 4 00:14:33 And I mean those like the, the server units that are gonna like store stuff for like Google drive or any of those, you're talking 10 story buildings that are dry. You know, if you think you run an AC, all summer is a bad electric. <laugh> like, these are they're. They draw a ton of power to keep those servers up and running and they keep 'em up and running 24 7. Speaker 2 00:14:53 Okay. So when they have some like, so how many, I mean like opposed to like a comp, like how many computers worth of, um, photographs are you storing? Would someone be storing in something like that? And like, what's that what's that cost wise like, um, I know monthly cost, the yearly cost. Speaker 4 00:15:10 They usually like break it down like monthly. Like I know like Dropbox is like one that everybody uses mm-hmm <affirmative> and, um, is that's Speaker 2 00:15:18 The storage thing too? I thought it was just for sending stuff this, oh no, you Speaker 4 00:15:21 Can use it as storage and stuff like that. Um, and it all depends on like the, how much you want to do. So like, I think it's like a hundred bucks a year. You get a terabyte worth of storage. Yeah. Which for the average person and maybe the person who shoots casually. Yeah. You'd be able to get away with a terabyte worth of storage mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and then when you fill it, you can offload old stuff that you might never touch again. Um, but if you're in the business at creating images and you're doing it frequently yeah. Or like a wedding photographer or something like that, you're going chew through that kind of storage, like crazy. Oh sure. Um, so it's just Speaker 2 00:16:00 A it's after a terabyte chew terabyte it's stereo, Speaker 4 00:16:08 After a terabyte, you go to like a petabyte, Speaker 2 00:16:11 Which is petabyte mm-hmm Speaker 4 00:16:12 <affirmative>. Um, and like petabyte server rack are something I would love to have, but you know, they're also 10 grand, so. Right. Speaker 2 00:16:20 Exactly. Speaker 4 00:16:21 Um, but that's, Speaker 2 00:16:23 So what's something like that. Is that just like a gigantic computer? Speaker 4 00:16:25 Is it essentially, Speaker 2 00:16:27 And it stays on there if you turn it off or is it gonna like stay plugged in and like, Speaker 4 00:16:32 Oh no, you can shut it down. Just like you would mm-hmm <affirmative> like a server, a server is basically just a bunch of hard drives, put together with a little computer that Speaker 2 00:16:39 Runs, it manages it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, Speaker 4 00:16:44 This could be a four hour podcast just on how hard drives. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:16:48 I'm sure that would be super interesting, but I mean, I just have, I just have a couple basic Speaker 4 00:16:52 Questions. Yeah. I mean, it's basically like your options would be on the computer, on an attached storage device, whether that's a portable hard drive or like a desktop hard drive or a network storage that you keep at home or a cloud based storage mm-hmm <affirmative> and those are like your main options and trying to choose the best one it's gonna vary Speaker 2 00:17:11 From personal. Yeah. But then you also have to have more than one. Right. Because what happens if something happens to that? Right. So, Speaker 4 00:17:16 Oh, you come to me and I charge your money to recover your hard drive Speaker 2 00:17:19 <laugh> you gotta fix it. Yeah. That's the side hustle. Well, no, cause we were, we were looking at, um, some new, uh, external hard drive type of that things and you know Speaker 4 00:17:32 Yeah. You'd wanna look at like, uh, Speaker 2 00:17:34 Someone, someone who knows much better than me, our, our field producer today <laugh>, uh, Claude suggested using the, you know, using the two, um, you know, and I think it's to duplicate the, duplicate the images so that if something was to happen to one of them, you what the house burns down and Speaker 3 00:17:51 Yeah. A master file somewhere. Speaker 4 00:17:53 Um, yeah. Or you could look at like a network one, which would plug into your router, so you could like wirelessly upload to it yeah. From anywhere. Yeah. Then Speaker 3 00:18:00 It becomes a localized cloud Speaker 4 00:18:01 Storage and a lot of those Speaker 2 00:18:02 Were, so that's like kind of creating your own cloud storage. Speaker 4 00:18:04 Yeah. It's like your own personal cloud. Yeah. Um, but then like anything you have, like, you could probably get one that's big enough to also back up all the stuff like for your regular business records that you have as well. So like there's different ways to set it up. Speaker 3 00:18:18 So like our customer files for like we place to orders. So in case something ever happened to our main PC, Speaker 4 00:18:23 That's why we go through a ton of storage at my shop because, you know, we deal with 3000 people in all their pictures on Speaker 3 00:18:29 Of like my well ever since we started adding the photographs to all the orders, we, you know, <laugh> storage, storage went way up, you know? Um, Speaker 2 00:18:37 Yeah. So you, you keep, you hang onto the photographs for a lot of those people or you Speaker 4 00:18:41 Depends on what it is time. It depends on what it is. So like when we do, uh, I do a lot of like artwork, reproduction production. Yep. And so like anything that I do, like custom work to produce. Yep. I'll usually keep yep. Um, if it is, oh, I just need a four by six picture of this Speaker 3 00:19:00 Uhhuh. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:19:01 You know, it stays in our server for a couple weeks and then automatically kicks it out. Gotcha. Um, so it all depends how long I have it all depends on how busy we are. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so like in the middle of January, I could have a picture for three months. Yep. Where during December, I might have something for two and a half Speaker 3 00:19:18 Weeks. If you got your system to automatically SCR something, as soon as it's been, you know, there for extended period of time. So Speaker 2 00:19:24 How do you handle that? So if I come in with a bunch of pictures and I'm, and you know, you know, make copies of something for me, you hang on, you kind of have 'em for a month. Do you end up sending the people like the digital files too? Or is that a, uh, Speaker 4 00:19:37 If it's something that an add on. So if it's something where you wanted me to like, scan and produce images for you, like if you gave me hard copies and you wanted digital files or you wanted copies of them, mm-hmm <affirmative> um, I would, no problem send you like the digital files of them. Yeah. Um, and you'd have the other, the other print copy, but like that sort of stuff, I don't necessarily hold onto forever. Cuz storage gets expensive. Speaker 3 00:20:00 Yeah. So this would be like, like something like you did for Josh Ford. Yeah. Where he brought in his paintings, you shot them, digitized them, made 'em. So he had a catalog available for himself. And then yeah. Speaker 4 00:20:10 So like a lot of like the artwork reproduction customers that I do. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I have, um, like online network storage, like their name, the work we did mm-hmm <affirmative> so like the files that they have and a lot of those will do multiple orders of one thing. Right. So, you know, they could call and say, Hey, I need more like four more of this one. Yeah. And I can look it up and find it and just print right from there. Exactly. Um, on top of that, I do give them the files as well. Speaker 3 00:20:38 So they Speaker 4 00:20:38 Have something happens to my system. Exactly. Then there's another backup Speaker 3 00:20:42 On it. Yeah. And as you go, it's redundancy, that's nothing wrong with having something with that kind of with that set up. Yep. But Speaker 4 00:20:47 Yeah, and I mean, that's the same thing as you know, like three years later. Oh, do you guys have this frame that you guys made for me? Yeah. You know, like we run into that like, oh, you made this picture for me a couple years ago. Do you still have it depends on Speaker 3 00:20:59 What it is. Yeah. And they say a couple years ago and you look back and it's 2014. Right. That Speaker 4 00:21:03 Does happen a lot. Um, a couple years ago as I get older, seems to be longer and longer. Yeah. You know, a couple years ago is still two, uh, 2010. Speaker 3 00:21:12 I was just gonna say <laugh>, Speaker 4 00:21:14 You know, like I, I remember when finding Nemo came out pretty well. So like, that seems like a few years ago, but no, it Speaker 3 00:21:20 Was like 18. Right. I know it's scary. Yeah. Still think the nineties are, you know, 10 years ago and they're not. Um, but Speaker 2 00:21:29 Oh yeah. You know, it's given you more time to yeah. Look at photographs, you know, qualify yourself as a judge. You know, now we have your show. Speaker 3 00:21:37 I was gonna say, yeah, I got your own pieces all put together there now. Yep. Speaker 2 00:21:40 Little transition from the, uh, from the judging to the, you know, an actual, somewhat of a, so solo show over here. Yep. Um, and is there, uh, any rhyme or reason to what pieces you decided to put Speaker 3 00:21:53 Up? Any theme going on there or just kind of what you wanna display kind of a nice mix of your pieces? Speaker 4 00:21:58 Uh, it's just a good mix. Yeah. Um, you know, a lot of the landscape stuff for the wildlife stuff is older for the most part. Sure. Um, where the four by five, like portrait work is what I've been working on lately. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:22:10 Is that what the, the wall of the portraits is that, uh, Speaker 4 00:22:13 Yep. Those are all Speaker 2 00:22:15 Just a series, a series you're working on or is that Speaker 4 00:22:17 Yeah, there's like sort of a, a theme to it, but I mean, it's all like a fine art headshot that is emotional and powerful, but shot with four by five film on the old school camera where you pull the blanket over your head so you can focus and Speaker 2 00:22:34 Oh Speaker 3 00:22:34 Really? You hold the old hood and flash powder, Speaker 4 00:22:37 No flash powder, Speaker 3 00:22:38 No flash powder. I Speaker 4 00:22:39 Don't wanna deal with that. Speaker 3 00:22:40 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:22:40 What, uh, where, where are you getting the for, for the, uh, shoes like that, where you find, find the, uh, the, the subjects, Speaker 4 00:22:47 Uh, anybody who's interested. Yeah. Yep. Or if like, um, you know, like one, two of those people on the wall are like friends of mine. Yep. Um, and that's sort of like where it started was like, oh, Hey, I want to try this. Yep. And then from taking their picture, moved on to like, oh, like let's find other people who might be interested in it. Sure. Um, Speaker 3 00:23:07 It's a great grouping. It looks like it's almost like it was set up as a, a series. Even if you're saying it's, it's split Speaker 4 00:23:13 It's. I mean, they're all taken, you know, sometimes months apart mm-hmm <affirmative> so there's not really a focus, but like the style that I shoot 'em in is pretty much the same without most of it. Speaker 3 00:23:25 Well, cause you got some straight on, then you got the guy with the beard and the three quarter profile yep. Shot. Which I liked. It's almost all shadow, which is highlights popping on that Speaker 4 00:23:33 One. Wait, I did a few shots of him. The hard part was, is, you know, like he made a goofy face when he was facing me straight on <laugh>. Speaker 3 00:23:39 So like look away <laugh>. Yep. But, uh, it's funny cuz the one actually, um, uh, the girl with the, the, the makeup running on her face. Yeah. And then the, the shawl, there was something about it that was I'm like, why does this shot look like I've seen it before? And it, it finally struck me. It was the, uh, the old cover that used to use for national geographic from like 1985 woman in, um, the, Speaker 4 00:24:03 The girl, the green eyes. Yes. Speaker 3 00:24:05 It's the eyes. That's what kept hitting me, was her eyes in that shot was that same kind of intense look, even though it's in that black and white medium, it it's still, you know. Speaker 4 00:24:14 Right. And I think that might be the only one where someone's actually making like eye contact with me Speaker 3 00:24:17 As well. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. The other ones are kind of like almost in a semi head up tilt or head Speaker 4 00:24:23 Or like looking away or looking off to the side mm-hmm <affirmative> looking up. Um, one of the things when you're shooting with like the four by five and I'm not using strobes or anything like that, mm-hmm, <affirmative> the, it takes a while to actually like capture that image. So they have to, it has to be can't move. Right. They have to be still. Yeah. So you have to make something. It has to be like a position they can hold <laugh>. Um, and for the most part, uh, V is the one that was like looking straight on. She was the only one that could like look straight on without like staring into laughter like something like Speaker 3 00:24:54 That. So yeah. That's impressive. Yeah. Cuz I remember that's how it used to be with the old, the old photos. Like you could move for like, what was it? It's over a minute, right? That you gotta, Speaker 4 00:25:02 Uh, sometimes these are, you know, like 15th of a second sometimes, maybe 30th of a second. Speaker 3 00:25:09 Oh, okay. So it's not that bad, but not like the old ones where it's like you can't Speaker 4 00:25:13 No, cuz I'm, I'm shooting these pretty wide open. Speaker 3 00:25:15 That's why nobody used to smile in the old photos. It's like, cuz you can't hold it in the exact same position for that long mm-hmm <affirmative> so Speaker 4 00:25:22 You're with the movie references Speaker 3 00:25:23 Today. Hey it's million Speaker 4 00:25:24 Ways to die on the list. Speaker 3 00:25:26 Thank you. See again, he gets me Speaker 4 00:25:29 <laugh> I'm a Speaker 3 00:25:29 Movie nerd and it happens. But no it, because again, that's, that's how, that's how I know about it again is, you know, movie cinemas <laugh> Speaker 4 00:25:38 Yeah. And like where like I'm how Speaker 3 00:25:40 Accurate that is. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:25:41 It's pretty accurate. So like, um, I'm using a higher speed film than would've been available back then. Sure. So like true, true. The amount of time it takes to capture the image is lot, lot less than it would've been a hundred Speaker 3 00:25:51 Years ago, like silver nitrate or something along those lines, that kind of stuff template, you know? Speaker 4 00:25:55 Yep. Yeah. Like Dera types where you're painting it onto the, the thing they got to develop it right away. Speaker 3 00:26:00 Right? Speaker 4 00:26:01 Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would love to get into like tin type stuff, but it's just a lot of Speaker 3 00:26:05 Work. It is. Yeah. It's involved. Speaker 4 00:26:07 It's a lot of work. It's a lot of chemicals. I mean, not that I don't deal with them every day anyway. True. Just adding to it is just more, there's just more, you need more. So it, I already have to like schedule time to do anything the 10. So like it's just more to schedule in order to be on top of Speaker 2 00:26:26 The 10, the 10 types. So we just, we hung a bunch of those down in island Creek mm-hmm <affirmative> um, when, like when me and Mike were uh, like, you know, helping out on that remodel down there when they took over the Windsor house and those are kind of like, those are interesting. These ones were mostly small. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:26:44 Most of them would be up to like maybe an eight by 10 Speaker 2 00:26:47 For the most part. Just what it's just to try to look like a, like an old like type of it kind of has like an old, like negative type of feel to it. So they put unexperienced, uh, Speaker 4 00:26:56 Were they real ones or were they reproduction Speaker 2 00:26:58 Ones? I have no, no, no. These ones were like current shots done on the like done types. Speaker 4 00:27:04 There's there's some people who still do, 'em like, uh, the camera that I have out with those portraits. Yeah. You'd be able to do a tin type on those. Yeah. Uh, with the right plate holder mm-hmm <affirmative> but what happens is basically you take your piece of metal, you paint it with the chemistry mm-hmm <affirmative> then you have to shoot it mm-hmm <affirmative> and then develop it right away. Speaker 3 00:27:23 Yeah. There's no time in between. Speaker 4 00:27:24 So like there's no like with the, with like the black and white film I use, I can shoot it and I can develop it a week later. It doesn't really Speaker 3 00:27:30 Right. Speaker 4 00:27:31 You know? So like Speaker 2 00:27:32 Yeah. I'm thinking these ones were like things that they had as real photographs and then they, yeah. Then they just turned them into, they kind of transferred them, Speaker 4 00:27:40 Did like the metal printing and like, yeah, you can do that as well. And sort of like fake tin type mm-hmm <affirmative>. Okay. Um, you know, and there's different types of metal printing that you can do whether or not you have like a white base or you have like the raw metal base, which will give it even more of that. Look mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. You Speaker 3 00:27:55 Could say like shimmer metal kind of Speaker 2 00:27:57 Don have like a CIA type of tone. Yeah. Like a Speaker 3 00:28:00 Look to look. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 4 00:28:02 Yeah. So they probably, they might have like reproduced, like to give it the old look versus like finding old ones, which we get a lot of the old ones from different, like his like town, historical societies and stuff when they wanna like copy things and stuff like that. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:28:17 Oh, you're doing a lot of, a lot of reproductions for the, uh, for the historical societies, Speaker 4 00:28:23 Different ones. Um, yeah, we run into, I did a bunch for Rockland. They did a bunch for, uh, I wanna say SCIU brought us a bunch too. Yeah. We've had a few different towns like over Speaker 2 00:28:33 We're framing, a bunch of, a bunch of maps, like that sort of thing. Like, you know, mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:28:37 <affirmative>, a lot of towns are doing re refits on, you know, kind of, you know, changing up their offices and re reestablishing what they want to, you know, have put up. And so Speaker 4 00:28:45 Some have been closed long enough. No one remembers Speaker 3 00:28:47 What it looks like. There's also that it up when Speaker 4 00:28:48 You go back in it's all different mm-hmm Speaker 2 00:28:50 <affirmative> so those cameras that are in there are actually active. I thought they were all, uh, Speaker 4 00:28:55 Uh, most of the ones that are out there work. Yeah. Uh, the old Polaroid Speaker 3 00:28:58 You Polaroid. I was wondering about that one. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:29:00 Uh, you can't well, if you can find the film it's way too expensive, snowing bother. That's really what it comes down to. Um, Speaker 3 00:29:06 Not cost effective to Speaker 4 00:29:07 Use. Yeah. I, I think a pack of 10 was selling for like 200 Speaker 3 00:29:09 Bucks. Oh, is that all like, Speaker 4 00:29:12 And they're not amazing Speaker 3 00:29:14 <laugh> yeah, but you missed the sensation of, you know, making it dry that actually did nothing for it that didn't help it accelerated at all. Or <laugh> yeah. Don't shake it polar. Speaker 4 00:29:23 Right. Picture. It doesn't do anything. Speaker 3 00:29:25 <laugh> it's a myth. But uh, I mean talking about like, you know, shutter speeds and development speeds and things along those lines, we, you were talking to me about the, uh, the waterfall shots that you had out there mm-hmm <affirmative> and getting those, you said you did a longer exposure on those to, to capture what's the difference between the, the longer exposure on something like that than just a single click, Speaker 4 00:29:45 You know? Um, it's, I mean, it can all be tied back into like the portraits as well, where anything that moves is gonna blur. Speaker 3 00:29:53 Right. Like the water you can see is cuz that clouded kind of almost looks like the cloud Speaker 4 00:29:56 Blowing. Right. And like there's a few of the trees with like the wind blowing, you know, the leaves, aren't all like Speaker 3 00:30:00 Tap Christine Speaker 4 00:30:01 Clean, like frozen mm-hmm <affirmative> so like the, the big thing with that is you just, you want to tripod, you want, Speaker 3 00:30:07 Yeah. You can't hold that and you know, cause it's everything people are, you know, Speaker 4 00:30:10 <laugh> so like since the water's moving and it gives it that sort of like silky dreamy effect. Speaker 3 00:30:15 Okay. So that's where this is an effect versus a, you know, just a crisp image kind of set. Right. Speaker 4 00:30:20 Okay. Yeah. And that's like the, the big, the wave breaking, it kind of gives that sense of motion. Speaker 3 00:30:25 Sure. Cause I know we also get the, the people that bringing us in those ones from like the desert where they do the night sky shots and those have to be on a long exposure to Speaker 4 00:30:33 Those were on like a long exposure or multiple exposures put together. Right. Um, I never got two into Astro photography, Uhhuh. There's like too much software and I don't sure I wanna sit at a computer as little as possible <laugh> so, um, yeah, but I know they'll like take like 20 images or a hundred images or 250 images and they have software that will like Speaker 3 00:30:55 Map and like compile and like change where they, Speaker 4 00:30:57 Because if the exposure's long enough stars can turn into a circle. Speaker 3 00:31:01 Right. Oh, in the sky Speaker 4 00:31:02 Really Speaker 3 00:31:02 Circle, Speaker 4 00:31:03 Huh? Yeah. The Earth's spinning. Hmm. So like as you spin around the clouds and Speaker 3 00:31:07 Everything. Oh you mean they're gonna turn like, like a streak effect. Okay. Yeah. I was waiting for like a, Speaker 4 00:31:12 If you, if you leave it long enough though, it'll look like basically like a streak rainbow across Speaker 3 00:31:16 The sky all the way across. Speaker 4 00:31:17 Yeah. Um, we used to do some of that. Like it's tougher with digital cuz like the cameras will eat the batteries up. If you try a long enough exposure. But like in old film camera, when I lived out west, we used to just set 'em in the middle of the field, like go home, cook dinner, hang out for eight, eight hours, go back, pick 'em up in the middle of the night, you know, like go from like essentially once it gets dark and then pick 'em up at like six in the morning. Speaker 3 00:31:41 Awesome. Yeah. That's Speaker 2 00:31:42 Right. You were, you were out west two for a while. So what is that where the nature shots are like, are those are those from Speaker 3 00:31:50 Uh, yeah. The deer when you were telling me about, Speaker 4 00:31:52 So the deer is in uh, Texas. Yeah. Uh Curville Texas. I was out there. That's actually one of the more recent like wildlife shots that I've taken. I was, Speaker 3 00:32:02 It's a great Speaker 4 00:32:03 Shot. Four years ago. Prep, Speaker 2 00:32:05 Preference, wildlife portraits Speaker 4 00:32:09 Cars probably recently. It's probably been like race cars and portraits. Yep. Um, you know, landscape stuff comes around when I'm not around here. Mm-hmm <affirmative> cause Speaker 3 00:32:20 You've seen it all already. Speaker 4 00:32:22 I I've shot stuff around here for so long. And I see it. I was Speaker 3 00:32:25 Gonna say you must day long, develop it all day long too. Speaker 4 00:32:27 <laugh> that's very bridge and yeah. I mean I've never, you know, I've only seen a couple, Speaker 3 00:32:31 I've never seen PowerPoint bridge from this angle. It's funny. Speaker 4 00:32:34 But um, you know, like, so a lot of the stuff around here, I work with so many, many different photographers or people like coming up and getting into it that the scenery around here, I see so much that I don't feel compelled to like go create something again. Mm-hmm <affirmative> or I've seen it enough that it's like, eh, it's just, you know, like not that it, I don't want to like discredit it by any means. Just no, no, no. As far as like my interest in like creating images, Speaker 3 00:33:03 There's no spark anymore. Speaker 4 00:33:04 Right. Like of like the ocean around here and stuff. Occasionally I might like go out and like get something cool. But like Speaker 3 00:33:09 Lighting or atmosphere might change how it looks, you know? Speaker 4 00:33:13 Right. You know, like I know like a lot of people that we're talking to me today cuz it's like the last super moon of Speaker 3 00:33:19 The year. Oh, okay. Speaker 4 00:33:20 <laugh> yeah. And um, Speaker 2 00:33:21 So you're, you're tuned into that. Huh? So everyone's getting prepared. Speaker 4 00:33:24 Everybody's been asking me about it. You're like, oh, like how do we do it? Like what do we want to use? Like if anybody wants to shoot the super moon, it's probably about ISO 480th of a second and F eight and then work from there on your settings to get it right. <laugh> um, and a really long lens. Speaker 3 00:33:42 Yes. Um, yes. The iPhone camera will not do no, no I've tried. It did not work Speaker 4 00:33:47 <laugh> but um, Speaker 3 00:33:48 Especially while driving <laugh> Speaker 4 00:33:50 You know, so like if I, if I do shoot around here, I try and keep things like sorta not as noticeable, like the large ocean out there is BR rock mm-hmm <affirmative>, but it's not noticeably BR rock. Like, you know, the, the sub towers and stuff aren't in Speaker 3 00:34:07 There. Right. There's no identifying landmark in it that, you Speaker 2 00:34:10 Know, you want the ocean to be anywhere. Right. So Speaker 4 00:34:12 Exactly Speaker 2 00:34:13 San anyone can relate. Speaker 4 00:34:14 Right. I mean, it's all Rocky, so it's definitely new England, but like, um, Speaker 3 00:34:20 I'd love to walk barefoot across that stone pebble. That'd be great. Of Speaker 2 00:34:23 Course that's that's mine to beach <laugh>. Speaker 4 00:34:26 Yeah. But like, yeah. So like I don't, I probably stick to a lot of like the cars and the people like as of late. Um sure. I shoot a lot of weddings. I enjoy shooting weddings Speaker 3 00:34:34 And yeah, it's a good times. Speaker 4 00:34:36 Probably one of the few that like actually enjoy it. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:34:39 Um, well if you can, you know, it's a nice positive energy and good time and people aren't selling and Speaker 4 00:34:44 <laugh>, and it's, it's a challenge, which is what's nice. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's what I like about it. Like I don't, they don't stress me out like they do with a lot of people cuz there's, there's a lot of like, there's obviously like pressure from the day mm-hmm <affirmative> but um, I like to use that sort of pressure that's created to actually create something. Sure. Rather than like, let it like eat you up mm-hmm <affirmative> which is, what's kind of cool about it. Speaker 3 00:35:09 Yeah. Even if a place is probably at the same location, same venue, Speaker 4 00:35:13 People are different, Speaker 3 00:35:13 People are different, their colors are different. They're you know, like, you know, this person had red and white, this person had blue and yellow, this person, you know? Yep. So you get that situation, you get the different groups of people, how large the wedding is, you know? Yeah. So that, that always changes it up. I'm sure. Speaker 4 00:35:28 Yep. Yeah. And it's, it's a little different than doing something static. Speaker 3 00:35:31 Exactly. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:35:35 What about chil children's portraits? Speaker 3 00:35:38 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:35:38 First day of school. Yeah. Are your, are your guys, you uh, have you got one of those coming up or Speaker 4 00:35:45 Oh yeah. August 31st. Speaker 2 00:35:46 Nice Speaker 4 00:35:47 School bus and everything. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:35:50 Over like a little overproduced. Uh, yeah. Oh, Speaker 4 00:35:54 There, there will definitely be like Speaker 2 00:35:55 An overproduced Speaker 4 00:35:56 Picture of it. I'm sure. Like it'll, it'll be one of the few times I actually bring a camera back to my house like Speaker 2 00:36:02 That. No, they're usually staying at the, uh, the trying to keep, keep them away from home. Speaker 4 00:36:09 Uh, I have a lot of cats and, and a dog and animal Speaker 3 00:36:13 Hair. It's kind of funny how they don't really, you know, work with art dude. <laugh> no, that's why I don't paint watercolors anymore. Speaker 4 00:36:19 I had, uh, a large format printer and everything set up at my house, uh, a while back to try and like produce some work like over Christmas and like be home a little bit more and like do that. And then like a cat kept sleeping on Speaker 3 00:36:30 The printer. I was gonna say, you mean the warming bed that the, uh, cat took that as? Uh, yeah. Speaker 4 00:36:34 And like there's nothing like trying to clean cat hair out of a print head. Oh gosh. It's not fun. So you Speaker 3 00:36:38 Blow a whole can of air just trying to move one hair. Speaker 4 00:36:40 Um, so I try and like keep that like separate, just like keep home home work work. Yeah. And Speaker 3 00:36:47 Um, you have a controlled environment at work though, Speaker 4 00:36:49 So it's right. And I mean, at home I do have like, I have, uh, probably my favorite camera I've bought in the last like 10 years is my GoPro. Speaker 3 00:36:57 Oh really? Speaker 4 00:36:58 Um, cuz I take it everywhere. Speaker 3 00:36:59 It's true. Yeah. You can, any situation, you can kind, you go Speaker 4 00:37:02 To the beach, you can just keep it on your wrist. It gets wet. Doesn't matter. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, you know, like go to water whi or Speaker 3 00:37:08 Anything like that. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. You Speaker 4 00:37:09 Know, it's it's, it is a great camera to like kick around with and not have to worry about it. Speaker 3 00:37:14 Yeah. Right. Speaker 4 00:37:15 Um, Speaker 3 00:37:16 O I slipped outta my hand. Right. You know, <laugh>, Speaker 4 00:37:19 You know, as long as it doesn't sink to the bottom of something, I can't swim down. It's not a big deal. Speaker 3 00:37:24 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:37:26 Yeah. I'm surprised those aren't like, like basically everywhere at this point. Like I kind of think, I feel like everything is, everything is almost like recorded. Everything's Speaker 4 00:37:34 Recorded. Everybody has the phone. Um, I think with like the GoPros and stuff, I think a lot of people buy them and don't use them. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:37:41 At least not properly. Speaker 4 00:37:42 Anyway. I mean, I had my GoPros for a long time before I actually started using 'em for still pictures. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and once I did, I was like, oh, these files are actually like pretty nice to pretty decent, like they're not bad. And um, Speaker 2 00:37:53 So the GoPros aren't, it's not, it has like a camera camera and like a video setting. Is that Speaker 4 00:37:59 Yeah. I think like the one I have is like 20 or 18 megapixels. That's fine. Speaker 2 00:38:03 Can you, you just pull stills out of the video too or no, Speaker 4 00:38:05 You can, but video since it's motion and uh, there, the images you would pull are never that sharp. Okay. And the files aren't too big. So, Speaker 2 00:38:14 So you're kind of giving up the clarity Speaker 4 00:38:16 You're giving up, like the clarity and like the ability to blow something up. If you pull an image from, Speaker 3 00:38:22 From video, from Speaker 4 00:38:23 Video. Yeah. For most people, it probably doesn't matter cuz it'll just, they'll look at it on the phone. Um right. You know, but if you want to, if you ever want to like print any of it or something like that, um, you know, that's, that's, my background is printing. So like everything I like photographed, I always have that like in the back of my mind, like, oh, if you want to like create something out this yeah. Like, you know, will it be able to enlarge, will it be able to any of that sort of stuff? Um, but like the, the GoPros are cool cuz it, it takes you back to like the simplicity of like almost like the old disposable cameras, you know, they're not designed to like review your pictures and look and make sure you got the right thing right away. Yeah. You just kind of like, oh this is interesting. Take a picture, you know? And then you deal it later. Right. Right. So it, it almost brings it back to that. It does have a screen. So you can see what you're taking a Speaker 3 00:39:13 Picture of and my new image of it. Yes. Right. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:39:15 But like it gives you that sort of like, Speaker 3 00:39:17 Oh good. My thumb wasn't on it. <laugh> Speaker 4 00:39:19 It lets you like be in the moment versus worrying about ABC and D. Gotcha. Which, you know, like the, if you're taking pictures with your phone, it's like, oh you take a picture. It's like, oh well now I gotta post it to Instagram. And then while I'm here, I'm gonna go flip through this and then, oh, oh you wanted something from me. Okay. We'll go back. Like I'll put this away. You know, like it doesn't, it doesn't allow like to like get out of that when you're doing something Speaker 3 00:39:42 Fun. Sure. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:39:43 Is it a simple transition to, to like, so if you shoot something with the GoPro and you want to post it onto your Instagram or this and that, and is it like how's that work? Because I think we have a GoPro. I don't know if we, Speaker 3 00:39:54 Yeah. I'm a small compact, which is great. So there's a good travel. Speaker 2 00:39:58 I dunno how much we use it. Speaker 4 00:39:59 See they, people buy 'em and don't use it. Speaker 2 00:40:01 Hell, I think they <laugh> think that that might be the case. Speaker 4 00:40:05 So they do that. You something, they have an app. So you can like have it automatically like go to your phone. Oh, okay. So, um, you know, like they'll sync up when the phone's on and stuff like that. Or like I just do it on a memory card. So then you, when I get home, I throw it on a computer and deal with it then. Yep. Um, Speaker 2 00:40:22 How much storage does that stuff eat up? It's video. Is that a lot? If Speaker 4 00:40:27 Video eats up a ton of space mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:40:29 <affirmative> yeah. Speaker 4 00:40:30 Um, I think 128 gig memory card is like an hour and a half of like 5k footage from a GoPro. So it needs it up Speaker 2 00:40:41 Quick. Maybe that's why people aren't using them as much. Right. Could Speaker 4 00:40:45 Be, or like, but people also don't associate a GoPro with a still Speaker 3 00:40:48 Photo. No, they think of action shots taped to a helmet, you know, while someone's skateboarding off a ramp, you kind of situation more or a river rafting or, and Speaker 4 00:40:56 That's how they like, that's how they marketed those things. Speaker 3 00:40:58 Exactly. Speaker 4 00:40:59 Um, and I found it, I found it better for me anyway, to use it just as a point and Speaker 3 00:41:03 Shoot camera. So you think it'd be good for like a good vacation camera where it's small durable and you can use it for pretty much anything. Yep. And on every situation there's, Speaker 4 00:41:10 There's no zoom or anything to it, Speaker 3 00:41:12 But true. Yeah. But like, you know, one minute you ride in the rollercoaster where the kids at Disney world, next time you're taking a picture with 'em next to their favorite Disney character. That kind of thing. That Speaker 4 00:41:20 Kind of, so yeah. I just have it like on a little wrist strap and I, around with it. Speaker 3 00:41:24 It's easy. Like you said, cuz it's not clunky. The size is relatively small and it's durable. So Speaker 4 00:41:30 Yeah. It can be banged around. It's no biggie. Speaker 3 00:41:32 Nice. Speaker 2 00:41:33 Yeah. Maybe we'll have you come over, give some lessons. Yeah. Speaker 4 00:41:37 I know you guys got to go pro what? Like six months ago. Speaker 2 00:41:40 Yeah. I don't, I think we used it maybe a couple times quad. Yeah. We used it until like February <laugh> and Speaker 6 00:41:49 It's something about, I'm like the only one who has the memory Speaker 2 00:41:52 Thing. Yeah. And then yeah. It's yeah. We'll figure that. We'll figure that out. We're gonna start producing go GoPro videos. I'm getting one of those helmets. Speaker 3 00:42:02 We'll strap it to the so blade. So as you do like a cut, you know, you get a action shot of like, you know, Speaker 4 00:42:06 You can do it, they have plenty of grip. They have plenty grips. You can buy like a whole pack of 'em on Amazon 25 bucks. Speaker 2 00:42:12 I's say Speaker 4 00:42:13 All like the different like holders and stuff to like Mount them everywhere. Speaker 3 00:42:16 Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so like you could set one up so we could actually put it up on top of that shelf right there and angle it at this and we could actually record each one of these with it and use it for that. So we had a, put it on the ceiling, the ceiling tile. Exactly. Yeah. So you have a good angle shot. Speaker 4 00:42:28 Yeah. Downward angle, you know, it gets rid of like any other, Speaker 3 00:42:31 Oh, when you talking about that's what that's from going the beard out for you gets rid the double chin. All right. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:42:37 Yeah. More footage of the podcast to get this goal pro set up you, when you come back for number three, your third, uh, visit we'll have you set up the GoPro first? Yeah. Speaker 4 00:42:49 Anytime I'll do it Speaker 3 00:42:51 Sounds good. Sounds good. Speaker 2 00:42:52 So how do you, uh, so when you have like a collection of those photographs or when you're entering things, what do you just find? You know, what's your, what what's your go to for deciding on, Speaker 4 00:43:03 Uh, for like entering Speaker 2 00:43:04 Or putting show? Yeah. Putting it together, you thinking of that show as like, uh, about how everything transitions or are you thinking of it as, oh, I get this one frame. So I'm gonna use that. Speaker 4 00:43:14 I mean, there's definitely some of that. Yeah. Um, or, you know, I took apart a couple frames to put like the, the coyote and stuff, uh, was framed the, the access deer wasn't. Yeah. Um, but the picture that was in that frame is old and was bored of looking at it, so yeah. Speaker 2 00:43:34 Good excuse to freshen things up. Speaker 4 00:43:35 Yeah. Yeah. And Speaker 4 00:43:38 I try and pick out stuff like that. I like, and generally other people like it. Yep. When I do that. So like that works out well. Um, but there, I didn't really have a rhyme or reason to it. Yeah. It was cuz I wasn't creating a show from nothing. Like I wasn't doing anything like themed or something like that. If there was like a theme to it obviously like pick stuff out that sort of like resembles that theme. Um, but on the topic of storage, mine is a little disorganized for some of the other stuff too. So it took me a while to like find different ones. And then I kind of like figured like what would look to good together? Yeah. Speaker 3 00:44:16 It's like, okay, well cause that one wall, like I said, it kind of fills that whole space and just looks like it's meant to be together, which is Speaker 4 00:44:22 Great. Yeah. And that's like a project I've been working on over like the last couple years, like slowly. So like all those files were all like available to me. Like I had a, you know, like all the scans and stuff from the negatives were easily accessible and it's something I've been meaning to kind of like put together with some of those. And I just haven't like the frames that they're in. I think I've had for two years and sure. Never got around to actually putting 'em together. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so this allowed me to do that. Yeah. Um, and then when stuff goes back, I'll probably freshen up my space with Speaker 3 00:44:54 Them as well. But that's you like the thinner, thinner profile metal frame versus a wider frame on your pieces, right? Speaker 4 00:45:02 Not particularly, Speaker 3 00:45:03 No. We Speaker 4 00:45:04 Use Speaker 2 00:45:04 That studio 2 7, 7 0 1. Right. Speaker 4 00:45:07 See, I like that frame a lot. Like that's a good Speaker 2 00:45:09 One. Nice little step in the front, right? Speaker 4 00:45:12 Yeah. That's a really good frame. The metals actually came from doing a lot of the shows years ago because they're durable. Mm-hmm <affirmative> uh, so like if they get like nicked or scratched, I just remember before I started working with you guys a lot, I had you framed two of my flower shots mm-hmm <affirmative> and you know, like they were museum glass, Aly mats, Speaker 2 00:45:33 Like those for Speaker 4 00:45:34 The shows, you know, they were like nice like Larson frames and there's a huge chunk missing outta one of them because it got hit course. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, oh, well that's $150 piece of molding that is now trash. Speaker 3 00:45:46 There's no fixing that. There's no. So like Speaker 4 00:45:49 Metals worked really well for doing shows. Cuz one, you can switch the pieces out pretty easily. Yes. Uh, without having to cut backing paper, Speaker 3 00:45:56 Just remove the single side, slide it out. Speaker 4 00:45:59 Um, take the spring clips out first. So you don't crack the glass, Speaker 3 00:46:02 Usually a good step. A lot of people skip that. One Speaker 4 00:46:05 Only you're working with a 40 inch piece of like reflection free glass. You don't wanna buy that twice new Speaker 2 00:46:11 Fingerprints. Yeah. Cause most of those shows have like the disclaimer too, right? Yeah. Like anything happens to your work. Well, we have it right too bad. <laugh> you know, it's kind of surprising that, you know, some of the, how some of this stuff is handled right behind the scenes in, in some of the out associations, but mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, I mean no fault of theirs. I mean you're dealing with mainly volunteers, but right. I think that's in my estimate of my mind. I think that's one of the benefits that's come out of like the, you know, you know, so you're not like bringing in like physical pieces and then having 'em rejected mm-hmm <affirmative> and then, you know, picking it up, you're damaged, but like, so there's less artwork to be handled, gives people the opportunity to kind of spend a little bit more on one piece. Cause you know, you're you got your digital, uh, submission and right. Speaker 3 00:46:57 Yep. Speaker 4 00:46:58 You know, going from 550 people who need prints and frames though down to 30 is always Speaker 3 00:47:04 Rough. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:47:05 So, Speaker 4 00:47:06 But what are you gonna do? Um, at least like, you know, like every I'm Speaker 2 00:47:08 Trying to find the positive of it. Speaker 4 00:47:10 Well, everybody who's getting that work done is happy with it. That's the nice part, you know, it's the, some, a lot of people will enter shows like on a whim. And even if it's just like, you know, they like come up and grab like a 16 by 20 ready made and like throw a mat in it and like tape it in. It's like, all right, well, well you're still into it for 60, 70 bucks. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and it might be something they just threw together because why not? Right. You know? So like spending 60 or $70 on a, why not right now is always a little bit tougher than, you know, like, oh, I got in, so I'm gonna yeah. Do this piece. Right, exactly. Because now it, now it is a show piece then a potential show piece. Right. So like that makes a big difference. Speaker 3 00:47:52 Yeah. There's things to, you know, put in, like I would always recommend like AR glass of a museum glass. If you know, what's going into show cause it's a little more durable, a little easier to clean. Yeah. The UV protection drops, but it's only gonna be up for what couple weeks to a month, usually for a show, depending Speaker 4 00:48:07 On it still doesn't drop that much. Speaker 3 00:48:09 No, it it's 20%. It's 99 down to 79. So it's still very durable, but also cost is a little less, but it still has to look of the museum glass. And that, that makes a difference. And that's when everybody's like, well, it's going a show I'm like, and I want museum like, well you can go with it. But you know, there are, like you said, liability issues with, uh, multiple people handling, cleaning it and setting it up like Speaker 4 00:48:31 That. So, I mean, even with a nice microfiber cloth of fingerprints. Yeah. Still a pain Speaker 3 00:48:35 To get off. Exactly. You gotta buff that thing, like crazy. Speaker 2 00:48:38 You putting in stuff in a lot of the, the local art associations too. A lot of shows or, Speaker 4 00:48:43 Uh, I haven't been just cuz I haven't produced that much. Yeah. Other than like the portrait work and wedding. Yes. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:48:49 What about the iPhone show down in Plymouth? Speaker 3 00:48:52 Definit photography, Speaker 2 00:48:53 A whole arch whole photo. Speaker 4 00:48:55 You, I know, I know. Uh, I've printed stuff for that so far <laugh> um, but I don't think I've ever actually like taken a picture of my iPhone of like, oh this is like a cool scene. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, it's like, oh I'm driving and that's like a pretty sweet rainbow. Like it's not like, um, Speaker 2 00:49:12 Well what is most of the stuff that's coming into the store? Is it most is the majority of people's photographs coming off of phones? Yeah. Speaker 4 00:49:20 Uh, a good amount. Um, one of the things that's sort of transitioned in photography is you have a lot of the people who are really, really into it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> are Instagram photographer spending. Yep. Spending money on like high resolution cameras to lower your resolution and put on Instagram. Um, Speaker 2 00:49:38 <laugh> all you're lose. You're losing me again. I think we've tried to cover resolution like so how I thought you had to have a high resolution for the photograph to be good. No, no <laugh> no, Speaker 4 00:49:49 Not at all. You can take a good, you can take a good photo with anything. Yeah. Um, I mean you have like now, like you have people who will zoom a picture up to a hundred percent to make sure like, oh, like every poor is like perfectly in focus and there's no pixelation around a poor, but you're actually looking at a pour on a waist up shot of a person and no one would ever actually see that you're right. Yeah. Um, so like the cameras can do way beyond what our eyes will ever capture. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, you know, the big thing with resolution is if you're gonna be cropping it in or blowing it up mm-hmm <affirmative> um, the resolution that it takes to produce an image that looks good on a phone or a, a computer screen isn't that high mm-hmm <affirmative>. So you don't necessarily need a lot of the gear to do that. Speaker 2 00:50:34 Yes. I, when, uh, yeah. Like everything, when it comes over, is it gen it's like 72 or is that like, is that like a standard, Speaker 4 00:50:41 Uh, 72 is like your standard internet resolution resolution for like, um, pictures that you'd see on like a website, something Speaker 2 00:50:47 Like that. But if you're printing something, is it, what is it like Speaker 4 00:50:49 300, 300 DPI is like a pretty good like average resolution, if you, Speaker 2 00:50:56 So my limited, uh, you know, knowledge from stealing people's pictures off of Facebook and whatnot, it comes off on like 72. And then when I print it, I gotta change it to three hun. Yeah, Speaker 4 00:51:07 You can. Yeah. You don't have to, you don't have to, um, I mean it, because the, the dots per inch is also gonna depend on the dimensions, the pixel dimensions, right? So like you could have 72 DPI at a thousand by a thousand, right. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so now, and let's say that thousand by a thousand equates to two inches Speaker 2 00:51:26 Mm-hmm <affirmative> Speaker 4 00:51:27 So like, all right, yeah. Have a thousand by a thousand. And it's 72 DPI. If you make that smaller and you make it 500 by 500, now it's 150 DPI. Mm-hmm at 500 by 500. So like resolution and dimensions sort of like play onto each other. Mm-hmm <affirmative> just upping the resolution to 300 DPI doesn't necessarily make anything better sometimes. Okay. And sometimes it's better to print at a lower resolution because it won't be as noticeably pixelated, uh, like any of like the contrast areas where pixelation would happen might be a little bit smoother if you printed it, let's say 150 DPI versus 300 DPI. Hmm. Um, and like your contrast transitions might be a little softer mm-hmm <affirmative> so like, if you have something that's super pixelated at 300 DPI, any printed, it's gonna be super pixelated mm-hmm <affirmative> if you lower your resolution to maybe a hundred DPI at the same dimensions, probably won't look as pixelated when it's printed really. Or at least it'll be smoother, you know? Speaker 2 00:52:28 So what would the benefit of like, so why even go to a higher DPI Speaker 4 00:52:34 For, um, large scale, right? I mean, you would do like large scale printing. So like every, every camera's gonna have like a native mm-hmm <affirmative> when you're pulling stuff from the internet is all whatever. Yep. That site is pressing it to, but like, so like, uh, most cameras today are producing a 16 by 24, at 300 DPI. So anything from a four by six, up to a 16 by 24, at 300 DPI, there'll be no discernible quality difference. Yep. Like in your pixelation, in your line. So it's only when you get over that size that like the DBI will start to drop mm-hmm <affirmative> and it's a long time before you even get to like a noticeable amount by the human eye anyway. Speaker 2 00:53:17 Hmm. So when, when someone wants you to blow up their iPhone picture to front, like Speaker 4 00:53:22 Twenty four thirty six, yeah. You can do it if the picture has like good contrast and everything. Yep. And they haven't, and they haven't zoomed in on crop iPhone. You know, if you try and zoom in, on a bird on the iPhone, and then you wanna print that big, you know, you're looking at a file that's maybe three inches at 300 DPI. So when you start blowing it up bigger than that, right. That's where like comes into play. Gotcha. Speaker 2 00:53:42 You get a lot of that or Speaker 4 00:53:44 Yes. <laugh> happens a lot. Speaker 2 00:53:46 You've you've perfected explaining why that's not gonna work out well. Or, Speaker 4 00:53:51 Uh, it's basically like trying to make a poster out of the postage stand. Yeah. You know, like you're, that's a good example. You're not, you're not increasing any resolution. You're just stretching it. Right. So like anything that's gonna be a fine line is gonna blur. Speaker 2 00:54:05 Yep. Speaker 4 00:54:06 Um, there are some softwares that help mm-hmm <affirmative> with quotation marks around it. Yep. Um, sometimes they work really well. Depends on the image. And it's really like an image by image basis. Speaker 2 00:54:20 What about all the filters on like, you know, like Instagram and, Speaker 4 00:54:24 Uh, the Instagram ones. Well, Instagram's gonna compress your file anyway, when you put 'em up there. So like trying to print anything off Instagram, you get what you get. Yeah. Um, and you can usually get, I mean, like five by fives and stuff work fine. You know, it's not a, you know, up to maybe like a eight by eight you're in like okay. Shape. Yeah. Without it looking too bad, if you, Speaker 2 00:54:44 I usually go five by five with the Instagram stuff that I'm sending to people, but, you know, Speaker 4 00:54:49 Um, but if you, uh, occasionally Speaker 2 00:54:51 Getting bigger, Speaker 4 00:54:53 If you have like the different apps with filters and stuff, generally, there's something for, you know, in-app purchases. So if you get the free ones, they probably crush, they would like crush the resolution of the save files. So like, you can't really do anything with it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> but then if you like buy it, oh, look, now you can actually like print a photo out of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, you know, one of the collage programs that we use, they had a free one, but it's like, you know, like the highest resolution you're gonna get is an eight by 10. Yeah. It's like pick joiner or some of those other ones. Yeah. There's, there's a bunch out there, but then when you buy it, it's like, oh, you can make this any size you want now mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, so generally if it's something that you really like, it's always better to buy, like the quote unquote pro version or whatever. Right. Not the light version for the five bucks. Right. Yeah. You know, if it's something that you would print yeah. Speaker 2 00:55:40 Is that cuz of the storage is, or Speaker 4 00:55:42 That no, that's just because I want you to actually pay for it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> versus getting it for free. Yeah. Yep. Um, you know, like I think BMW's gonna start charging people monthly to use sea heaters. Yes. You know, like I saw that anything they can like gouge money for. I Speaker 2 00:55:56 Thought that was a joke. No, no, Speaker 4 00:55:58 It's not a joke. It's it's sad. So stupid <laugh> Speaker 2 00:56:03 But interesting. Yeah. I guess everyone wants to be in like the, Speaker 4 00:56:07 Uh, subscription Speaker 2 00:56:09 Business subscription model. Yeah. God. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So were you, do you got a favorite in there? Did every, did anyone should come down and see specifically? Yeah. I mean, are you sick of that wave one that, no. I mean, mean, you've been looking at that for a while Speaker 4 00:56:24 That one's been on my wall for a long time. So someone come down and buy it, buy it. Um, so I can make something new. Um, I mean, I like the wave one a lot. Like the, the wave one is cool in person. Cause it's huge. Mm-hmm, <affirmative>, it's kind of like the car downstairs, like it's huge. So like takes like it has a presence to Speaker 3 00:56:42 Exactly. Speaker 4 00:56:43 Um, I, out of everything that's up there probably cuz it's also the newest stuff is like the portraits are my favorite. Yeah. And like the way that wall looks together is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I kind of knew what it was gonna look like before it went up, but like it looked, they look really good together. Mm-hmm <affirmative> actually pretty psyched about those. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:57:00 Do you have good luck with the port that the portraits sell or is that more of a, yeah, Speaker 4 00:57:07 I don't know. Someone come and prove me run, but no, no one's bother me yet. Speaker 2 00:57:10 No, no mean, but I mean, I assume you do well with the, you know, like the landscapes, the bridges, you know, like Speaker 4 00:57:16 Yeah. That sort of stuff sells pretty well. Speaker 2 00:57:19 So the portraits are more a, like a, Speaker 4 00:57:21 They're like a personal project type thing. Yeah. Someone is moved enough to hang one in their house. I will let them do it. You know like, yes, Speaker 3 00:57:29 There you go. Yep. Mm-hmm Speaker 4 00:57:30 <affirmative> um, but uh, a lot of the landscape stuff, the, the hardest part I found with like the landscape stuff that I do is a lot of it's printed, really big mm-hmm <affirmative> so you have to have like all three things need to fall in place one. They want, they wanted enough to spend money on. Yep. Since it's big it's costs a lot of money to frame. Yeah. You know, and then the third part is you need a wall big enough to hold it. Yep. Um, you know, a 40 by 60 frame in a lot of houses is too big. Yeah. Um, you need a big Speaker 3 00:58:01 Wall, you need a dedicated wall for that. Something that size, Speaker 4 00:58:04 You know, it's like, uh, if you go to best buy and you look at a TV and you're like, oh, this 70 inch TV is awesome and then you get it home. And it's the size of the wall in the living room Speaker 3 00:58:12 Might be, I'll make it fit. Speaker 2 00:58:13 Some people like Speaker 4 00:58:14 I'll always make it fit, but like Speaker 3 00:58:16 TV, not a problem. Yeah. <laugh> I just didn't I don't need this bureau. Speaker 4 00:58:20 So I didn't measure first. Speaker 3 00:58:23 I don't use this window very often. It can go in front of it. <laugh> yeah. It's a little different for, you know, a portrait piece or a, you know, right. It's supposed to kinda make it room complete, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> but Speaker 4 00:58:36 Yeah. And like the, the portrait work, I just, I just enjoy it. I like, you know, I would hang, I would hang it at my house. Speaker 3 00:58:42 Yep. It's very striking when you walk up the steps. So it definitely captures your eye on that one. Like I said, mm-hmm, <affirmative> like, I love your other stuff. Like I love the, the waterfalls. I love those two. I love the, the island parting through the fog with the little, you know, the building on that. You were telling me about that. Oh, Speaker 4 00:58:54 The Dr. Island, Speaker 3 00:58:55 The Dr. Island one there. Yeah. Cohasset. Yeah. Hu. Um, yeah. And then your, your nature ones, you know, the deer, the coyote. I love those, but there's something about those, those portrait pieces. Like I said, that one that just like, it struck something in me where I was like, I've seen this for so long, you know, made me think of that, that one picture. And Speaker 4 00:59:14 It's, I just like pulling like a powerful personality, the piece. Exactly. And I feel like that does that pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in different, in different forms, like everybody up there has a different feel Speaker 3 00:59:28 To it. There's a different attitude with each of those pictures, you know, that they that's coming across with each of those ones, you know, Speaker 4 00:59:33 A lot of it's annoyed cuz they have to sit there and it takes a long time to take one photo. You know, there's a lot of setup involved. Um, Speaker 3 00:59:39 Give me happy. No, that's annoyed. Give me happy. Speaker 4 00:59:41 Yeah. And like, since it's all on film, it's a lot of setup for something very anti-climactic right afterwards, cuz it's like, oh, let's see how it came out. I was like, Hey, you gonna wait? I don't <laugh> Speaker 3 00:59:49 Yeah, yeah. I'll let you know in a week and a half. Speaker 4 00:59:52 Yeah. I won't even know how it came out. Just cross my fingers and Speaker 3 00:59:55 Hope it didn't right. Speaker 4 00:59:58 Fortunately, I don't have to wait that long cuz I do have a photo lab, so Speaker 3 01:00:02 <laugh>, it's very true. Speaker 4 01:00:04 I don't have to send them anywhere. Speaker 3 01:00:06 All right. Well cool. I think that's gonna wrap things up for, uh, this interview, uh, sweet, you know, thanks for joining us and giving us the time to, you know, go over all these things. Pick your brain on a few of these things that we're still quite not, uh sure. On ourselves here. Yeah. Speaker 2 01:00:20 We'll certainly, you know, probably we'll have, have to have em back, you know, we'll keep you coming back. Part three, recurring guests, Sean, go, I'll Speaker 4 01:00:27 Be around. Maybe we don't go Speaker 2 01:00:28 Anywhere when we get things, uh, you know, nailed down. We can always transition into, you know, trying to make things educational or, you know, Speaker 3 01:00:35 We have to discuss the Speaker 2 01:00:36 Dive in deep into some of the pieces of yours, discuss the Speaker 4 01:00:38 IG too. We get like, um, discuss Speaker 2 01:00:40 Just once sold. Speaker 4 01:00:41 Yeah. You know, I would, I would always be up for like, uh, talking with another artist as well. Speaker 3 01:00:46 Yeah. Yeah. We can do a crossover. That'd be great. Speaker 4 01:00:48 Yeah. You know, debates, debates are always fun. Speaker 2 01:00:52 The, the great debate between film and digital, you know, Speaker 4 01:00:56 I mean I shoot both so I can Speaker 3 01:00:58 <laugh> you've seen both sides of the thing, but I, no, it definitely makes sense, but uh, no, that's great. Well, so like I wanna thank everybody for, uh, listening in today too. And uh, hopefully you'll turn in for part three when we have part three come out. Speaker 2 01:01:11 Yeah. Well always, always good to see you, Sean. And uh, I'm sure that, you know, we'll probably see you tomorrow, you Speaker 4 01:01:18 Know? Yes. Most likely <laugh> Speaker 2 01:01:21 All right. Awesome. Well, thanks for listening to everyone. See ya. Speaker 7 01:01:34 See ya.

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