Speaker 2 00:00:22 All right. So welcome to the Frame Center podcast. Uh, so today we're, uh, joined by Nate Nottingham from the Norwell High School. Norwell High School's. Got a show going, uh, is it starting on Friday
Speaker 3 00:00:34 Or Friday's? The, uh, the opening,
Speaker 2 00:00:36 Yep. Starting Friday. Uh, you know, in, I don't know, what do you call, they didn't
Speaker 3 00:00:40 Have, it's the James Library.
Speaker 2 00:00:42 Yeah. At the James Library, but I'm trying to, so it's a, like a joint show, or are you guys putting on together or you They just the venue.
Speaker 3 00:00:49 They're just the venue, but they, they, um, it's like the Nor Cultural Council is, is the sponsor behind it. Nice. Um, and the James Library always likes to let people know who is, is the, is the backers behind these, you know, so, um, but honestly, bill Hauser is the one who gets it put together. He is a great guy, and, um, he really wants to make sure annually that the, uh,
Speaker 2 00:01:12 So it's gonna, it's gonna be an annual shelf. It,
Speaker 3 00:01:14 Yeah, we had it. We had it, uh, last year was awesome. And, um, I, I think it just fits really nicely for us to highlight a few pieces by our AP students every year there and kind of show where their portfolios are, are kind of built building towards where they're gonna be going. So, I mean, like back in the day when I was in AP and high school was called the Concentration. So it's like everything kind of kept on going back to the same central idea. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and now it's a little bit more of a journey. Yeah. Uh, it's like called, um, a sustained investigation. So you're really trying to show your research into an idea. Yeah. Gotcha. So I think having the two pieces by each student and a small little paragraph and artist statement, kind of like saying like, this is my journey so far.
Speaker 3 00:01:56 Sure. And like, I think it's important for the public to kind of know that some of the pieces feel very finished and some of the pieces you might be like, oh, that kind of feels like it's more in flux. And that's kind of by design too. You kind of want the students to always be feeling like this piece could be changed. It could have some revisions go further. And that's kind of what they're asking for on the test itself. So you're always kind of trying to remind the students that they're taking a test, but also trying to be loose enough that they're making artwork that's meaningful to them. So you're trying to write, you're trying to walk this tightrope, but being able to show their artwork in a professional setting, like the James Library is so awesome. Makes a huge difference. Yeah. They recently got those renovations in there, the new lighting. It's just a great space for like music or art and Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:02:40 The place looks great. We were, I, uh, we stopped in for, they had like a, I think it was like a wood carving type of show in place, like the, that looked great. The space, you know, it kind of has like a somewhat of an antique feel, but at the same time, like very well done.
Speaker 3 00:02:55 Exactly. I feel like you're, like, you just nailed it. Where, where you have that charm, you're like, yep. Like you, it has enough of that renovation. You're not feeling like you're in the basement of a library. Yeah. You are physically in the basement of a library. Yeah. But it doesn't feel that way. And it's just so nice being in there. Again, the lighting has just changed everything. Um, we actually couldn't have a show in there for a few years because it was like, this place is an ADA compliant, there's no ramp. So they, they did so much work on that, and now the space is even better than before too. Yeah. So it's just so cool to, to be able to again, um, put the artwork in town for, you know, the town to see, but also, it's not just like any old space too.
Speaker 2 00:03:39 Yeah. Yeah. And how many pieces are each student has? Two
Speaker 3 00:03:43 Each. Each two. Uh, each student has two. I have, I think it's, uh, 54 pieces are in there.
Speaker 4 00:03:49 Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I ask quite a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:03:51 Yeah. So it was a lot of matting and mounting by me and not, not up to the, uh, standards of the frame center <laugh>. Uh, I should probably be, uh, changing my blades out more often.
Speaker 4 00:04:02 It's amazing how fast those have to be changed.
Speaker 3 00:04:04 It, it is, it is funny though, too. Like I know how much work I put into it, and like the kids are like, when's the last possible second? I can get it to you. I'm like, I'm bringing the show tomorrow. And,
Speaker 4 00:04:14 Um,
Speaker 3 00:04:15 You've already written a paragraph about these two pieces last week.
Speaker 4 00:04:17 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 00:04:19 <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:04:20 Uh, or, or, um, like some kids are so thankful, and then there's a few kids who are like, you framed mine in gray, how dare you. Oh yeah. It should have been in black. And you're like, I'm working on like bare bones here, man. Like, I didn't have a big enough black piece for yours. You know? Yeah. So it, it, it's, it is crazy just the, the shift between like the expectations of these things, but they, they ultimately just want their work to look the best. True. You can't be mad at 'em, but you're like, oh man, I don't think you realized, like, I gave myself a third degree burn using like a hot glue gun today. And I'm a little, uh, salty myself. So can we just get on board and realize I'm doing my best too? You gave me the piece, like again, like a week late. Oh,
Speaker 4 00:04:59 Sure. Yeah. How many paper cuts you got?
Speaker 3 00:05:01 Oh my God. Every time I come here for, uh, again, thank you for all the, uh, the scrap mat board. We use it all the time. Oh, yeah. Uh, but every time I'm like sifting through the scrap mat board boxes, I'm like in another cut.
Speaker 4 00:05:12 It's catching knuckle in
Speaker 3 00:05:13 Another cut. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:05:14 Be edges
Speaker 3 00:05:15 Doing it's days is dangerous.
Speaker 4 00:05:16 Ra your blade themselves, man. Yeah, about the sheet metal shop at school, you
Speaker 3 00:05:21 Can just, you know, it's like, man, what gauge metal did you cut yourself on? It was, it was paper man. Paper. It was paper, yeah. Yeah. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:05:28 It's funny, funny. So each, each, so 54 pieces total and no. Do they have 'em pinned up? How do they, how are they displaying? Everything are, again,
Speaker 3 00:05:37 They have, they have the hang, they have like a pretty nice hanging system there. They have like the track system up top, and they have like the pre invisible, um, so how do you a wire system?
Speaker 2 00:05:46 So you just put a wire across
Speaker 3 00:05:47 The back God pieces. I, I've done this for quite some time now. It's, it's pretty, again, again, if you, if you were to look at the back, you'd be like, this got a whole lot less professional <laugh>. Uh, I, uh, I, I, I do the rough tape job on the back of the matting, then I do some hot glue puddles. Get a, get a backing board of cardboard on there. Yeah. A lot of the pieces, if you look in the back, looks like it was, uh, sponsored by the lunchroom. Yeah. So, uh, there's a lot of, uh, Tyson chicken box, uh oh yeah.
Speaker 4 00:06:13 In the back.
Speaker 3 00:06:13 Yep. Yeah. And then I take, uh, some, uh, scrap map board, uh, like strips, and I cut those into small rectangles, and those become pressed into another puddle of hot glue uhhuh <affirmative> with a piece of yarn between them. Ah, now I have my hanging
Speaker 4 00:06:27 Systems.
Speaker 3 00:06:29 So, uh, hot glue, cardboard and some scrap map board go a long way. But again, no one's looking at the back. So <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:06:37 We're not, we're not gonna judge we're, I might, I might, I might peeker on the back of one of
Speaker 3 00:06:41 Them. Oh, that's, that's what he is doing. See
Speaker 2 00:06:43 If we can bring in a new hank new type of wire.
Speaker 4 00:06:46 I'll get you with some new systems.
Speaker 3 00:06:47 Yeah. Or maybe you guys learn something. That's very true. I mean,
Speaker 4 00:06:50 Like you said, you, you were asking us how, you know, when you ever get used to seeing something, you know, come in all the time and No, that's always surprise. Most of the time that surprises how this thing stayed up on the wall for 30 years. <laugh> hung up with hopes and prayers, you know, with this piece of dental floss and, uh, you know, a piece of red yarn. Uh, it, it's amazing how some pieces are, are still hanging after all these years. But like you said, you work with what you got. Exactly. You have time
Speaker 3 00:07:17 Available for us. I mean, my, my timeframe is to make sure it stays up on the walls between February 10th gonna switch, which is the opening, and it has to come down on March 11th. So Yeah. I, I'm hoping, you know, fingers crossed at that, that, uh, hot glue stays <laugh>. Let's do them, man.
Speaker 4 00:07:31 Gotta do a time lapse of this next time, and then we can record it. Just play the MacGyver theme song over it.
Speaker 3 00:07:36 Anytime you're using the school, the school brand tape, you're kind of putting yourself at risk of this thing is gonna last for so long, you know? Yeah, yeah. Which is like, you know, it's great for some things. You're like, this is great for like, being a painter's tape. It's really not gonna tear anything mm-hmm. <affirmative> off of it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, um, I I really like putting that the, the show together. You Sure. Yeah. And it's just funny which, which pieces the kids choose to put in the show.
Speaker 4 00:08:01 You're like, I was gonna say, how do they go through it? Do they pick it out themselves? You guys have like a meeting, like, and set up, like discuss which show, like, bring me seven, we'll pick two out of it kind
Speaker 3 00:08:09 Of thing. So in the past, the test has required the students to send out physically five pieces. Oh, okay. So the, those are called your selected work. So ideally this show has been used to kind of say like, Hey, I'm framing two of your pieces. These have to go out physically mm-hmm. <affirmative>, let's make sure these are possibly pieces you want to be for your selected works as well. Yeah, sure. They're not having a send 'em up physically anymore mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So now it's just you're an ap. Like, I want to give you a good piece that, you know, like you're happy with it. I'm happy with it. Like, wanna make sure that like, you're getting a piece and like this is kind of marking your senior year or your junior year as a positive way. Gotcha. So let's just get something you care about out there.
Speaker 3 00:08:48 Ultimately, I hope that it's something that's helping them write their sustained investigation paragraphs. Sure. True. For the test. So hopefully these two pieces are really about that sustained investigation. Yeah. You know, you don't wanna build in too much busy work into the curriculum. You want 'em to be more about making art for a purpose. Yeah. So you try to keep 'em kind of focused on those, um, test, you know, kind of mainstays. Yeah. And, and make sure they're on, on track. So, do a few kids wish they put some different pieces in or just, just finally got them done today?
Speaker 4 00:09:19 Course. That's the artist. And everybody though, everyone's second guesses there won't work. Yeah. You know, it's never good enough. You know, the branch is drawn wrong on this, this landscape, you know, it's, it doesn't really matter. Someone this knows is a skew. It, there's always gonna be something they're gonna, we're almost critics when Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:09:34 Yeah. And that's actually so funny. It's like, it's like typically, like the kids are the ones who see the mistakes. You're like, I don't, it's, it's fine. It's, it's, I think it's a great piece. Um, and you're always trying to write, like, walk that tightrope of, are you your harshest critic in a healthy way? Yes. Like, if you're just giving yourself a pat in the back the entire time, you're not really gonna be growing as an artist. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But if you're like, shutting yourself down because you're like, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong. It's like, well now you're not making any artwork because you just keep on shutting yourself down. Yeah. So it's like, for some kids, I'm like, you can actually do better for some kids. I'm like, it's okay. I have to be your cheerleader right now. Like, you're doing a great job. Yeah. You know, like, let's, let's, let's be positive again too. So, so what's it's, it's different all the time with every kid. Kid. Oh, sure. It's such an individualized class.
Speaker 4 00:10:16 Well, that's the thing with art. It is. You're gonna have so many different branches
Speaker 3 00:10:19 Of, it's all about problem solving. You try to give 'em like a loose project and you're like, please try to have this formulate around what your research is about. And then everyone comes in with something different. And like some kids, it took a lot shorter amount of time. Some kids come in, you're like, I'm halfway done. You're like, yeah, it makes sense. You're doing something really extensive. Yeah. And I gave you a week and a half, so. Exactly. Yeah. Deadlines are are fun.
Speaker 2 00:10:39 <laugh>. What are, uh, what are most of the kids working in the now? Like, I, I'm breezing through this stuff. I saw the license plate, so like, I saw some texture on things, but what I mean are, is it the digital art a big portion of like, the what's being taught?
Speaker 3 00:10:52 Taught or don't? I don't have a lot of digital art students this year, but I, I do have one that's like really awesome. He's like taught himself blender. Um. Oh, very cool. Yeah. And, and like, you want to be able to like, just like teach, give the kids as much information as you have, but like, you can't say like, Hey, we're all doing a blender project right now. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make much sense. So like you mentioned the, um, the license plate piece. A license plate piece, that was a project where it was, the project is called Surface. Yeah. So the idea is like, you have a sustained investigation, you should be able to collect a surface that is symbolic and meaning. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> has some sort of purpose for your research. Yeah. Like, you're excited about doing something on top of something interesting. So you'll see some kids working on some purposeful surfaces Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:11:34 That like, maybe build in a little bit more of that, um, meaning into the piece. One of the goals for the test again, is, um, the idea of reaching synthesis. So the materials, the, the, how you use the materials, the processes all coalesce to enhance the meaning behind the piece. Sure. Too. So you're trying to get them to that point. Obviously those projects are kind of manufactured. It's like, we're gonna, we're gonna choose, uh, some interesting surface and you're gonna draw on top of it. Like, does that mean they hit synthesis? No, it's pretty early in the year. But you kind of want them to get that idea that maybe white paper isn't the answer for all of my projects too. So
Speaker 4 00:12:10 Maybe you find a stack of old vinyl records that are
Speaker 3 00:12:13 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 00:12:14 You know, and do make a clock or something out of it with an art piece behind it. You never know.
Speaker 3 00:12:18 And kind of putting those, those are, you should stuff at this place <laugh>. Exactly. You just have to donate. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:12:22 I
Speaker 3 00:12:24 <laugh> No, like you, you just kind of, it's also good to let kids know that if you, if you're having a, like a tough time with this base idea for what you want your research to be about, but you don't have anything to collect or you don't have any firsthand reference photos of this, or you can't collect those things, like maybe you're off to a bad start with this idea. Like, if you don't have access to this stuff, and this isn't stuff that you're naturally already researching, why are we putting yourself through the paces to make this a difficult year? We want us to be research heavy, but also personal. And if you're not already personally engaged with this stuff Yeah. Why are we doing what we're doing?
Speaker 4 00:13:00 So you don't have any connection or access to that material. Yeah. Why you, you know, and other than the fact of wanting to experiment with it, I can understand that, but that's just putting even more, more constrain on yourself than you need be.
Speaker 3 00:13:12 And now we're at the point of the year where some kids are like, I don't know what my sustained investigation is. We've been literally working on this the entire year. You have several pieces, like Yeah, but they're not connected. I'm like, I know I've been grading you in individual pieces and I've been every time during <inaudible> being like, what are these all going towards? You know, like, what's the storyline? That's the, like, that's bringing these together. So some of those kids are kind of in like you're saying, like, what were pieces, do they choose for the show? And you're like, again, hopefully it's for the sustained investigation. Yeah. But how, like, how can we make sure that like, it's actually Yeah. Coming together too. So some of the kids are trying to cobble together some of the those, uh, those through lines for their portfolios.
Speaker 4 00:13:50 It's tough. I remember trying to put portfolios together for college and stuff, and like to explore, you know, my, to show my best, but also my range. Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:13:59 You
Speaker 4 00:13:59 Know? Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's not always. It's like, okay, I have some social screening, but my offset press stuff was good. And then my graphic design was, you know, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:14:07 Do they want to like, show you like, like drawing from life mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like, you can't be too much like firsthand reference. Like, like, like focus and man, like, some of the kids are like, you found that image offline. Like, we are, we're not using that in your portfolio. Yeah. Like, it's like it has to be altered in more than just you drew it. Like
Speaker 4 00:14:24 Yeah. I can't just show my seven t-shirts designs I did for the school every year for the, uh,
Speaker 3 00:14:27 You know, <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:14:28 Exactly. It that doesn't, it's not enough. You
Speaker 3 00:14:30 Know, it's like sweet drawing of Walter White. We all like breaking bad, but it can't go into your portfolio, like Yeah, exactly. You weren't on set, man. Like we <laugh>. Exactly. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:14:40 Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:14:41 So like, you wanna like, give 'em praise where praises do. Like, this is awesome technique. You should be really proud of it, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like, we need to realize that the test has like a rubric. Rubric for it. I'm, so I'm talking So test
Speaker 4 00:14:53 Heavy. No,
Speaker 3 00:14:54 Scott,
Speaker 2 00:14:55 Understand.
Speaker 3 00:14:57 Like, I love the, I live the art side of, of the class too, but I just feel like it, like you always want to keep on,
Speaker 4 00:15:02 It's been 20 years, but I still remember some of this. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:15:04 You wanna keep on like, driving these tests. Like, like the kids, it's a, it's the most unique AP test that's out there, because literally as soon as you sign up for the class mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like you're taking the test. Sure. And that's so different from everyone else that's like, Hey, I'm studying for a test that's coming up in March. I'm, it's like, no, you're currently taking it. Yeah. Like, why are you dragging your feet? You could be, you could be technically done with your test right now. Yeah. If you want to be.
Speaker 4 00:15:26 Right. Yeah. Depending on how, you know, involved you became the project and how well of a thought you've got figured out <laugh> waiting the last two weeks before the last week. Put yourself together. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:15:35 So the, it's like I thrive.
Speaker 4 00:15:36 I'm not saying I wasn't part of that group. Exactly, exactly. You know, having to redo a portfolio in two weeks because, you know, you left your car roof open and rained and your portfolio got soaked. Uh, but yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's tough, you know?
Speaker 3 00:15:48 Um, some of the kids like, think that they thrive with pressure. I'm like,
Speaker 4 00:15:51 The don't
Speaker 3 00:15:52 Do. You're, you're, you're putting the pressure on me now too. Like, and that, that's not a good feeling.
Speaker 4 00:15:56 I know gray hair is in right now, but just, you know, do, do with die not with pressure.
Speaker 3 00:16:00 That is a clear message that I, I'm graying. That's perfect.
Speaker 4 00:16:03 No, no, no. It's not gray, man. It's uh, it's
Speaker 3 00:16:05 Neat rub
Speaker 4 00:16:07 For me.
Speaker 3 00:16:07 You know? I thought it was a callout for me.
Speaker 4 00:16:10 So,
Speaker 2 00:16:11 So then now Will, the show will also involve like the travel, the, like the traveling art show and then the, the, the, the fair at the end
Speaker 3 00:16:19 Of the, so the traveling art show is, uh, again, you guys do a great job of, of framing that up at a very low, nice cost for, for the school.
Speaker 2 00:16:27 Yeah. And that's a fun one. It's always nice, I mean mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, seeing students work is
Speaker 3 00:16:32 Excellent. And like, and I love that you find it fun and I, it's like such a, a like a little Christmas morning feel when we did all those things. We're like,
Speaker 4 00:16:40 Let's see, see how it,
Speaker 3 00:16:41 Oh my God, they chose that frame color. And you're like, that's so cool. So
Speaker 2 00:16:45 That's kind like the mats. And sometimes
Speaker 3 00:16:46 That's
Speaker 4 00:16:47 Oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2 00:16:47 Yeah, yeah. Like what do we got? Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:16:49 You use the lime green or we can use the blue. What do we use? Yeah. It's a black and white. I know,
Speaker 2 00:16:53 But I mean, it's a tough compromise cuz sometimes you're like, this piece is really good. So like, we wanna like, you know, it's not something that we're, you know Yeah. Just trying to unload too. But, you know, you know, there's usually one or two you walk
Speaker 3 00:17:06 That line. Yeah, yeah. And I understand. And, um, I've never, I've never been able to pinpoint the ones that you phoned it in on. So like, let, let, let's, let's, let's put that as a common. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:17:15 I mean, we're trying to make sure they all look good, but sometimes it's
Speaker 3 00:17:17 Like, oh, I mean, your name's on 'em too at the end of the day too. So, and I, and I think that's again, just like, I, I think that y it's, it's, it's a good strategy for any business to like, get involved with the community. I think that's like your main goal with it too. Um, and, and you just enjoy doing it. Yeah. I think it's just like such a fun thing to see the students artwork and engage with it too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like these kids that probably wouldn't otherwise go to a professional place and get their work hung like Yeah. And look nice. It's so surprising how much a piece changes just by saying, this is done and putting a frame around
Speaker 4 00:17:53 Here, having it up on the walls Beautiful. And seeing it finalized and done in a professional setting, like you said Yeah. Is just sometimes so validating to go, I know. Yeah. I'm on the right track. Yeah. This is where I want to be. I want to do this all the time. Cause it's a great feeling to see your piece up and displayed amongst your peers
Speaker 3 00:18:07 And going back to the test. I mean, some of the kids are realizing that like, oh my God, if I display my piece in a purposeful location Mm. That is now also part of the art too. And like now I take a photo of my photo hanging somewhere and like now we get a little bit like <laugh>, like a picture inside of a picture, inside of a picture kind of thing. But at the same time it's like, oh, you're showing people like this actual, like, community of people engaging with your art, because that is also part of the art.
Speaker 4 00:18:32 And this area's huge for that too. We have so many different art societies in the area and things. We, we've said it on several of our episodes that for to be in an art community, you're in the right area of, uh, you know, there, there's several places you can go and even just speak with other artists. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, there's so many open houses. So many like, yeah. Like when the Halls do the, the hall studios do all their opening mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's like the whole strip of Hull is just one big art community. And you just walk every other door. You walk into somebody's, you know, art studio, you can spend that day there and just learn so much from so many, so many different artists.
Speaker 3 00:19:02 Yeah. I mean, like the south the south Shore I think like really wants to be known as, as an art center too, and mm-hmm. I think that maybe it hasn't got the respect it, it has deserved too. So, I mean, I, I just moved to situate. I mean, I love Ciit for a long time, but I just actually moved there in August and like, I'm really excited about bringing my, my son and wife to like the situate art walk and like that mm-hmm. And just like showing all, showing off all these people's work and everything like that. Oh yeah. It's like, you're not gonna like everything, but there's gonna be a lot of pieces that you really respect and you're like, oh yeah, this goes beyond just a, uh, a photo of a lighthouse. You know, like, but like, there's other, other awesome things in there too. Oh,
Speaker 4 00:19:43 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, minor light. There'll be, you know, under one shots of it. Yeah. But maybe this one was from a boat outside looking up at AMO behind, you know, like Exactly. Compositions a lot what
Speaker 3 00:19:54 To do with it. Always gonna like, have a new way of looking back.
Speaker 4 00:19:57 Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:19:57 And like, that's, that's the interesting thing. It's like, oh, you, you forced me to look at this same thing, but in a new way. So
Speaker 4 00:20:03 Just, we get it in here all the time. I mean, different types of things we're gonna frame from local landmarks and different things in the area, but depending how it's framed, it changes the whole look
Speaker 3 00:20:11 Of the piece. So, so,
Speaker 4 00:20:12 Awesome. It's the last, last, last true part of the artwork, you know,
Speaker 3 00:20:15 <laugh>. Yeah. I mean like, and I know like, like David didn't want me to say like, oh, you're just doing it to be involved with the, like, the community. I think it, but it is an important like, business decision to like, kind of like, yeah, hey, we're not gonna charge this much. But I mean, it gets us out there, makes the, like the community realize we care. Mm. And like, that's why I do so much work with the, uh, the situ animal shelter. Oh sure. Like, I, I, every, every uh, winter, like, you know, hey, it's gift given season, you know, Nathan Nottingham's doing, uh, some pet portraits and he's gonna split the money with Yeah. So like, like this year I got to donate a thousand dollars to the animal shelter. Yeah. And that was awesome. I love doing that. But at the same time, it's like, do these people come back or do they come to me later on in the year and like, they have a different project and they know that I'll be accommodating. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you, you, you build a client base that way. Yep. And like other people get your name out there too, so it's kind of word of mouth. So it's kind of nice to be like softly busy throughout the year. Oh, good. And you get to choose the pieces that you want to engage with at
Speaker 2 00:21:14 The same time. Well, I feel like for Frame Center too, like part of the sponsorship too is like, you mean you can write a check for all these sports teams, all these other things for us. Like that is a nicer tie in. I mean, don't I like for sponsoring, uh, hockey teams too, but
Speaker 3 00:21:26 Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:21:27 But, um, you know, there's,
Speaker 3 00:21:28 You mean you're not just about art. You're area. Yeah. You're one facet in life. <laugh>. No,
Speaker 2 00:21:34 Mul Multifacet. But, but you know, it's, it's nice to like, you know, to, you know, cuz I mean, you know, I mean, I'm sure you know too more than anyone, like the art, the the budget for the, uh, for the art department is not always as lucrative as some of the other ones.
Speaker 3 00:21:48 And also, let's just like acknowledge the fact that in the last few years, like expenses on materials have gone up. Oh my God. Yeah. So it's like, it's like you've seen it here. You, I would imagine. So you like, you like, just because a project costs this much with this many kids last year doesn't mean it's gonna be the same next year. Yeah. So when you have to like, go to administration and you're like, Hey, like we actually need to bump up the budget. And they're like, we can't. Or like, yeah. Or they split your class. Like, so, like recently they just split like our art one class instead of a full year. It's a half year. Of course. So like, technically we can see more kids throughout the year. Sure. So it's a shorter time, but you get to see more kids. All right. Well if you're gonna do like your one show-stopping like project Yeah. Well now we need to get more of that material for that project. You know, it's like, it's like, yeah. We love doing like the linoleum print project. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:22:38 Linoleum costume. But you know what costs probably the most money in that in, out of all the projects it's probably the linoleum itself. So like now it's like I, Hey, we need, you gave us more kids. Thank you. Yeah. We need more material. You need more money. Yeah. Let's just be clear. Like, out of the people that I want to thank, it's like the other art teachers, cuz they're so, such like an awesome group to work with, uh, Aaron Carney and, uh, Natalie Fitzgerald. And like, we always just bounce ideas off each other. It's such a cool collaborative environment. Like some people would be like, walk into our atmosphere and they'd be like, you have a split double. Like you have one class on this side, you have another class, and it's split down the middle by like a row of sinks with a very thin wall. So like, you can hear everything going on the other side. Yeah. Trust me when my AP kids are like, it's karaoke Friday. Yeah. Aaron on the other side is rolling your eyes like, dear God, please don't let them sing. I'm like, ah. And it's like, it's like, it's, it's so fun to do. But yeah. Like I, I, I think I lost my thread on this <laugh>. No,
Speaker 2 00:23:33 No, no.
Speaker 3 00:23:34 I
Speaker 4 00:23:34 Understand. Like you said, the cost of materials Yeah. Exchange. We, we noticed it greatly just probably, I think in the last six months where I had a couple orders where the map board cost more than the frame. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even like, it was a silk mat, it was just a eight ply mat, but the mat ended up being because of the size Yeah. Cost more than the frame
Speaker 3 00:23:52 Did. Yeah. I mean, that's always, it's like, I've had instances where I've, I've made a piece for a per for a buddy or like a, like a friend of a friend, and like, they think that I'm charging like a ludicrous amount, but they're like, they're like, oh man, you know, like, and then like later on they text me and they're like, framing it cost more than the piece. I was like, yeah, man. Like work goes into this stuff. Yeah. Like, like I'm glad that you, like, you're, you're biting the bullet and finally buying a personal piece of art. Yeah. But if you're doing a bespoke piece for yourself, you know, like it's gonna cost some money too.
Speaker 4 00:24:23 It's a lot of artists have that, they have to keep that in budgetary in mind, especially when they're placing something in a show that takes a commission and things like that. They have to budget the commission, the cost of the framing and all the other stuff. Not to mention all the hours they poured into the artwork. Yeah. Into the piece. And like, they do all the calculations and it's like, oh, I guess I'm gonna break even or owe money on this one, you know? Yeah. And it's like, well, I really loved it. At least, you know, it's, there's, but I mean, that can only go so far. You get
Speaker 3 00:24:47 Yourself, I mean, like, you have places, again, like going back to Lid James Library, you have them, um, like they're a very artist friendly galleries mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So like, you're expected to still donate money back to them. But it's like the idea of like, you can write that off in your taxes kind of. Yes. There is deal too. So like, they have, they have a good system that way, but it's still like, you know, money's coming off the top of your price. Yeah. So like, is that affecting how you price your artwork? Yep. So it's, it's all, it's all interesting. Yeah. Mean the business side of art is something luckily that like, I don't have to discuss too much with my students mm-hmm. <affirmative> because I, I don't know, sometimes I feel icky myself about like, yeah, how much am I charging for this? Like, what's the upcharge like, man, it would be great if like, for like all the dog portrait commissions, I could say, oh, you have a, your dog is brindle colored. It's, it's all these spots. <laugh>, I'm not, I'm not drawing it unless you give me an extra a hundred dollars. Or, you know, like, like, like, oh, it's a pug with all these folds. I don't wanna <laugh>,
Speaker 4 00:25:44 They save my pugs. Throw a with Ps.
Speaker 3 00:25:47 Nothing's wrong with thugs. They just have a lot of intricate folds. Mine's
Speaker 4 00:25:50 Black though. It doesn't photograph very easily. Um, but yeah, it makes a difference. Like you said, having something with a pattern versus something that's a solid is always,
Speaker 3 00:25:58 I I I I I love doing all the pet portraits. I, I was talking, uh, Dave, you, you found your,
Speaker 4 00:26:04 You found your
Speaker 3 00:26:05 Niche. I, I don't wanna say as my niche though, like I was, I was telling you earlier, it's just the idea of like, oh man. Like, it feels not good when I'm introduced as like a pet portrait artist. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like, I want to be known as just like a portrait artist or known as just an art guy. You know, like, I don't, it's also been like weird. I'm not sure when you guys kind of rolled around comfortable to the fact of calling yourself an artist mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like those titles, it's always really hard to like, kind of like, take it and not feel like a fraud. Yeah. So for me, I think it was like really only in the last like, probably like fif probably like 10, 15 years. You know, like I'm an art teacher at this point. You, you know, you, you feel like you're an artist. Yeah. But at the same time you're like, am I, is this the thing I love? Or is this something I do? Is this how you define yourself? Sure. And all that jazz. So,
Speaker 4 00:26:51 Well, I'm a framer first and artist second. I know it just because I deal with it more often. Yeah. Yeah. But I enjoy my art just as much as I enjoy doing the framing part. Like I said, the framing, I think it's like the last, you know, it's the, it's the finishing touch. It's the bow tie, it's the top hat. It's the thing that goes on to finish the look. But it is,
Speaker 3 00:27:06 It could also be the art though too, by
Speaker 4 00:27:09 <laugh>. Exactly. It has to compliment. It can't overtake the art. It has to be something that compliments it. It can't be the thing you look at first or you're doing it
Speaker 3 00:27:15 Wrong. And that's why you guys are known for your lime and green frame <laugh>. Oh yes,
Speaker 4 00:27:18 Yes. It's highly sought after. Especially when green, with green screen working. So probably nowadays it, it is, it is tough. Finally, like something like for the piece you have here, your resin piece. Yeah. Trying to find something to put around that to display it is, is nearly impossible because of the way it looks. Yeah. Anything closing over it completely makes it feel not open and mm-hmm. <affirmative> and free flowing anymore. So you have to use something like a floater. Yeah. But with a piece of resin, the only way to put that in there is you have to glue it in place. There's no, you can't drill into it cuz then you're drilling into the
Speaker 3 00:27:48 Artwork. Unless the person was savvy enough to put some of those fixtures into the dress process.
Speaker 4 00:27:53 Yeah. Again, ahead of time thinking I
Speaker 3 00:27:55 Wasn't, I, I, I, this was like a complete pickable to a complete like, uh, again, like I was just experimenting on top of a piece that like the person didn't, didn't come through on the commission. So I was like, what do I do with this cat that I don't care about? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, let's go for and try it. I've never done a resin piece. I've seen enough like TikTok re like reels of these things being done. I was like, let's try it out now. I've tried it out. I had to go and get the tech ed teacher to saw it down for me. I was like, Hey, I have a problem. It's no your problem. Please help. You know, like, so like he learned from it, like
Speaker 4 00:28:30 Bandsaws and finder itself. <laugh> find grits and paper
Speaker 2 00:28:33 Your best friend. Did you listen to the the, the students or did you guys, did
Speaker 3 00:28:37 They I think it worked really well to, to show my AP kids. Like know that like I was experimenting with something. Yeah. They know that I, like one, several of my students are already doing something with the leftover resin gallons. I have. And I've already bought another few. Like, just cuz like it's not much of a cost. I don't want, I want to use my own art. So like,
Speaker 4 00:28:56 So you come more readily available now, which is, it used to be something you have to order online cuz it's a chemical part a b mix. Exactly. Now it's, it's a little
Speaker 3 00:29:02 Easier. So like I have a few kids that are trying stuff out with it, which is kind of fun at a smaller scale. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I, I love showing it because like we just got done with the painting you with my art two kids and just the idea of like, I feel like painting is just like, think about your layering. Yes. It's all about layering. It's like, what do you do first? What's your order of operations? And this was just,
Speaker 4 00:29:22 I heard that in forever order of
Speaker 3 00:29:23 Operations. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing, we're we're doing flashback, we're doing a geometry proof, let's go. No. Uh, this is like, but this one was just kind of fun to show like, no, like literally in any type of art you have to think like, what do you do first? What's the next step? And like, have you planned? What's your process? So I don't know. Like I, I think that some, sometimes I don't think the kids think I'm showing off when I show the pieces that I've been making. I think they're, they know that I inherently, I'm just like trying to show them that like a, I love making mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like that's why I'm in this like, job. Like I get to hang out with like awesome kids. Get to see them make awesome at the
Speaker 4 00:29:56 Beginning of their creativity when they're
Speaker 3 00:29:57 Still like, you know, trying to foster this love of making that I know I have and hey, like, I have to plan through these things too. Yeah. Like, or like, it's not a big deal if I fail. I don't have a test at the end of the year. Like, like it's fine, but I'm making like, I'm making like 30 pieces. Like Yeah. It like more than you kids are. Yeah. You know, and I, I know I have the time, but I'm also a, a, a dad of a toddler. Do I really have the time? Like Yeah. I don't have, I don't have homework when I go home. Yeah. But I have other stuff. I have literal homework.
Speaker 4 00:30:30 Yes.
Speaker 3 00:30:30 <laugh>. Yeah. Work at home. Yeah. It's different. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:30:33 And, and it really is. But like you said, there are ways in things you have to do. And especially like, the worst thing would be to mix that resin wrong after having the most perfect piece. Oh yeah. And you did a two to three ratio instead of a one to one ratio. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Something. And you end up with gel on top of your piece and
Speaker 3 00:30:48 It's ruined is tacky. Oh, do I fix this?
Speaker 4 00:30:50 Still tack is you can't, it's three weeks from now. Yeah. And it's, yeah. There's nothing you can do to, it's to work with it. But, um, only cuz I, I've worked with it. I know how much of a pain it can be, but the payoff is so great. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like working with like, painting through glass, it's all
Speaker 3 00:31:03 It feels, feels like magic Yeah. At a certain
Speaker 4 00:31:04 Level. And you can even do things like black and white across the whole port and then tint the resin and get a, you know, an awesome piece that
Speaker 3 00:31:11 Way. You know. Yeah. I'm definitely looking forward to using it more. Yeah. Um, again, trying to like, maybe again, like I, I don't wanna be known as a, as a pet portrait artist, do I wanna be known as someone who's just doing trendy type of materials? It's like, well, it's trendy because it's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and that's, and that's fine too.
Speaker 4 00:31:27 I used to sell watercolor landscapes for a living, you know, for like, when I was first starting off with my stuff, that's what I had. I had cards made up. I was, you know, people would send me pictures of their houses, I'd paint 'em and send 'em out. But I hated doing it. Yeah. I hated it. It's like, okay. It's like I have no creativity. It's like, all right, you want your house to look exactly like your house, and if I do anything different, it's gonna be, you know, off. And they're like, oh, add the dog, add the thing. I'm like, all right, well add these in. And they're like, oh, I hate that. Can you take it? I'm like, no, I gotta start all over again. Yeah. Um, now I do fluid acrylic. Yeah. And like, stuff with resident, it's, it's so much more freeing to me. <laugh>, that stuff that I got tied into before,
Speaker 3 00:31:59 That's what I kind of wanna make sure I'm still doing. It's like, okay, I'm doing all these pet portraits, I'm doing other portraiture for, I have a, I have another portrait that I'm working on that I think would be fun to talk about in a second <laugh>. But, um, it's like, I saw one of my, my former students, like she has an Instagram account, Devin Bailey, super awesome student. Um, I mean, not a student anymore. An adult now. Like, like married, making awesome artwork. Yeah. Yeah. I'm old apparently. But, uh, you said 15 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so when did Paul retire? Paul retired. When did, uh, Natalie join the crew? Probably like six years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was subbing today. Yeah. He, he was like, oh man, I gotta get on that podcast.
Speaker 2 00:32:41 Yeah. He,
Speaker 3 00:32:42 Yeah. He, he's like, he's like the,
Speaker 2 00:32:44 You should have brought him with they,
Speaker 3 00:32:45 They emailed me and it's, and I feel like the chance is come and gone. No, it hasn't. You can come. Yeah. Um, but what was I talking about?
Speaker 2 00:32:54 <laugh>? Oh, you were talking about, sorry.
Speaker 3 00:32:56 Oh, Damilia. Her, her New Year's resolution was like, Hey, like I'm not taking any commissions, uh, for the first half of the year. I wanna make sure I'm making stuff for myself. Yeah. And I was just like, ah, man,
Speaker 4 00:33:06 Keep it alive.
Speaker 3 00:33:06 Yeah. Like cart that comment, you know, like, it's, it's just, so I was like, yeah, like so cliche. This student has become the teacher <laugh>. You know, like, it's just like, oh yeah, no, I want to do that too. So,
Speaker 4 00:33:18 But you don't wanna become stuck just doing the same thing because then it becomes work
Speaker 3 00:33:22 And I know Yeah. <laugh>, it's not
Speaker 4 00:33:23 The thing that you do to enjoy anymore.
Speaker 3 00:33:25 Well it's like, it's like, do you make stuff that you know is gonna sell? Or do you make stuff for yourself? And which would like, again, like we've been talking about this, like for every aspect of this conversation, it's been like a tight rope walk of like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Yeah. Kind of deal. And it's, uh, that's funny.
Speaker 4 00:33:37 Art, that's what art is. Unfortunately. It's expressing yourself enough, but having someone else that wants to also buy it
Speaker 3 00:33:43 From you. I mean, like, that's where I have my like IU have my AP drawing students, but I also have my AP design students. They're like, well what's the difference? I'm like, do you care about an audience? Cuz if you care about an audience, then I'm like, you're probably thinking about your composition. You're probably thinking about like selling your an idea to someone. You're probably a design student. If you care about the journey, if you care about the layering of materials and like showing these art elements in new ways. And like for yourself, you're probably a drawing student. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> think they have so much crossover in there. But try, try to like map out like where their interests are.
Speaker 4 00:34:13 Amazing. Yeah. What's,
Speaker 3 00:34:13 What's the
Speaker 4 00:34:14 Dive, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:34:16 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:34:16 No, that's awesome. <laugh>. It's good to get these things from, like I said, we've had individual artists come in, but to have someone who has to teach
Speaker 3 00:34:24 Oh
Speaker 4 00:34:24 Man, as living, you know, we have, again, some of these artists are teachers on the side too for, for independent stuff. But that's again, for people that come in and doing it for the love of doing it, not because they're wanting go for, for the professional side of things. Yeah. And now you're, and you're starting off with these kids who are gonna hopefully go into the profession.
Speaker 3 00:34:40 I mean, just because they're in the AP class doesn't mean that they want to go off to school. For sure. You know, and I feel like that's, that's something nice that our program is kind of like encouraging the kids. Like, know that there's professions out there, know that they can make a living doing this. But
Speaker 2 00:34:54 Learning creativity is important to
Speaker 3 00:34:56 Exactly. Like, even, even just like go off in the whatever jobs you go off into the future is still like to have a respect for the creatives that you might be working with to have a respect for how much time they took. Yes. And to like know like, oh, the price that they're setting is fair and everything like that too. So I think they're, I think it goes a long way. Just, just like whatever they want to do in this world. Yeah. So mm-hmm. <affirmative> hope. Hopefully that's what they're getting from the class. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:35:20 Well, I mean, you're teaching 'em to think a little bit d you know, I mean there's like a different type of thinking that you're teaching, right. Opposed to like teaching how to like, add numbers or something like that. Just how to look at something and how to like, interpret like a, you know, an assignment like they mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like they're working on all year. Right.
Speaker 3 00:35:35 Yeah. I, and I think it's such a good way for them to kind of make the connections between some of the coursework that they enjoy too. It's like, oh, you enjoy these classes that are outside of the art classroom, but it's like, this is the perfect way to blend those ideas
Speaker 4 00:35:50 Together too.
Speaker 3 00:35:50 Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's like, it's not, it's not a solitary class. Like, like maybe in a math class Yeah. You're focusing on that type of math, but when you leave, you might still have a passion for that type of math, but like, what do you do with it? Okay. Can I bring this into Sure. The art class and maybe I can utilize that, like, that information in a new way, like you're saying too, just like, how do we, how do we again, just keep on foster this love for making? Mm.
Speaker 4 00:36:13 Yeah. It really is, it really is difficult. I know
Speaker 3 00:36:17 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:36:17 So will the kids work be for sale too? Or is it all you gotta,
Speaker 3 00:36:21 So technically because they're using school supplies. Ah, like you kind of fall into that like realm of like, they shouldn't be selling it too. Yeah. Whatever they do with these pieces. Like after they graduate, I can't, you can't be like Gotcha. You know, <laugh>. Exactly. You're selling this. Yeah. No. Um, so yeah, it won't, it won't be like, unlike most shows at the James Library, like they, the pieces won't be up for sale. Yep. So, um, could you find their name and, and possibly contact them and say, I love your piece and everything like that. We've definitely had people reach out to us in the past and, and we've kind of, instead of just setting up one of my high school students with this complete stranger, like, I've kind of like, kind of talked about that, you know, you don't wanna put any kids in a weird position where it's like, you don't have to sell it. Like, there's no, like, that's nothing telling you you have to. So Yeah. It's, um, again, walking that line of Yeah, it's tough. Yeah. I'm trying to get the kids to know, hey, someone out there wants your work, that's awesome, but I can't have a sale of your artwork either. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:37:21 Yeah. I can see that being a difficult situation to try to explain
Speaker 3 00:37:24 To. Luckily it doesn't come off too. I'd like come off too off there, anything like that, but
Speaker 2 00:37:28 No. Will they tie, tie any, anything else? Any the opening reception on Friday for the, for the show or,
Speaker 3 00:37:35 Or Yeah, we have the open reception is four to six on Friday. Any
Speaker 2 00:37:38 Performances, anything like that as
Speaker 3 00:37:40 Well? No, nothing like that. I, i we for our performances like, like the fine arts festival in March. Yeah. Um, don't have a strict date on that yet. Um, but keep your, if you're interested in like, seeing those things, I'd say
[email protected] page on Instagram is awesome, uh, to kind of keep a focus on that. If you wanna see my own artwork, it's at Nate. Uh, not underscore Natting ham. For some reason I thought that was clever and I was like, my students won't find me. They all found my, my Instagram account <laugh>. Like, I, like, I don't know why switching two letters around, uh, would, would stop that. But, uh, um, the, the, the nor.art page, uh, will always has like sort of the what's going on sort of thing. But in terms of like that show, which is like the entire gym Yeah. We've had in the past like the Noal band, like play and like really have like set the mood and everything like that. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think with the James this year, I think they are, you know, they're still kind of, they're thankfully beyond like some of those covid restrictions stuff now. So I always talk, it was like, are we gonna be able to have like a cheeseboard or something like that? No, let's talk about that. So like, that, that's a, that's a throw up in the air sort of deal. But, um, uh, it's, it's looking like we're like, yeah, we're looking forward to have a lot of people on the show and everything like that too.
Speaker 2 00:38:55 So how many people can Well that, will they James Hold, is that a fair amount? I mean, the parking is definitely not an issue right there. Right. Like,
Speaker 3 00:39:02 You can, as long as you can, as long as line up
Speaker 4 00:39:05 The street,
Speaker 2 00:39:05 Keep lining them up all the way down ministry.
Speaker 3 00:39:07 Right. Um, I I honestly don't know where, when, at what point would I start feeling co claustrophobic in there? Probably around 35 people. But I'm, I, I am a person who doesn't like crowds anyways. Yeah. They're like, what are you doing on New Year's? Absolutely nothing. I'll be in my bed <laugh>. So
Speaker 4 00:39:25 Perhaps watching the ball drop if I catch time <laugh>. Exactly. When my movies over there watching eating my Chinese food <laugh>. Um, yeah, no, I, it's will the students be in attendance soon
Speaker 3 00:39:34 For that? So like, I, I don't like to be the person who, who's like, your grade is,
Speaker 4 00:39:40 You must be
Speaker 3 00:39:40 There at four. You know, there's always extenuating circumstances, so, so the goal of having it from four to six is like, ideally you could probably pop in right after school. You can go over there and have Bite, you could see their stuff, blah, blah. And then I was like, you know, this is like something funny. Like, I was like trying to tell the kids like, if you can't make it, you know, try to send someone as tribute, you know, like try to like, like, you know, a parent should show up, a cousin, a friend, someone should come. So I'm as like a lonely man in the basement of a library. You know, <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:40:08 Like hold a hunger
Speaker 3 00:40:09 If you, I'm a beautiful basement of a library, but nonetheless, me being by myself with a cheeseboard, I'm gonna eat that Cheeseboard
Speaker 4 00:40:15 <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:40:16 <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:40:17 Well then okay, then don't come have a full meal. Yeah, it's fine. But yeah, no, I mean it's, uh, it, it'd be neat to see them in a group setting having everybody come. Cause I know when we have the art show here that we do and having all the kids come, it's always a cool thing to see them in a group setting with like all their parents and the Oh yeah. The grandparents and the family and aunt and uncle. I, you know, it's just cool for them to be able to have, like I said, to see their stuff up on display. So I didn't know if it was a, I'm
Speaker 3 00:40:42 Never gonna get, you must have been trouble. I'm never gonna get tired of seeing the mom force their child in front of their picture. Picture with the picture. It is the most adorable thing on the planet. Yeah. And I look forward to forcing my own son and doing it in that years down the line. Like, I'm like, this is a bad photo. Like it's gonna be a bad photo. Uhhuh <affirmative>, but it's, it's a worthwhile photo in the long, you know, like it has such sentimental value and the kids just like, I don't want to, and you're like, take the photo smile dear mom, like this is important to her. Um, and no, you're right. And this like the conversations they have and like, I have two separate like, so like in my seven period schedule, I have two AP class classes meet. Okay. Like it's a blend of drawing and design students and a blend of drawing and design students, but those kids rarely see what the other classes make.
Speaker 3 00:41:30 We have awesome critiques, um, in those classes and I tried to put up as much of the appropriate work as possible in the galleries that, you know, like again, like do I wanna put an unfinished piece up in the gallery? No, not yet. So like, some of those kids, like you don't get those up in the gallery so much. So a lot of the classes don't know what the other classes are up to. So this is like one of those times where it's like a great blend if you're at the show or if like you at least make your way over to the James by March 11th you're gonna be able to see like all this awesome work and yeah. Kind of read what those other kids are, are up to and how they're handling the same test.
Speaker 4 00:42:00 Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. So, well
Speaker 2 00:42:03 Cool. Well you know, Scott, I'll get everything up there to uh, you know, so anyone can find the links and check out the show. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:42:08 If you've got anything you ever wanna send us in the future, just send it right over to us. I can put it up on our event calendar page. Awesome.
Speaker 3 00:42:13 Cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think definitely for the Fine Arts festival in March. I'll, I'll send something to you guys and then just, um, once we get that new batch of traveling, uh, art show pieces, we'll, we'll, we'll get, we'll get, we'll get some, uh, photos up for the, for those. Yeah. That'll be awesome to see you. And again, uh, some of the locations, uh, some of those pieces right now are at the, uh, south Shore Health Center right now. Uh, and it's always funny, a kid will come and be like, my mom's friend said that my piece was hanging. And it was like, yep. It said the traveling, remember you gave me that piece of artwork to hold onto? We got it nicely framed and then you were sad that we were gonna keep it for a while. You're getting it back your senior year. <laugh>. Yeah. All that jazz. So like, no, it's, um, again, thank you to you guys. Thanks to Bill Hauser and the James Library and the Cultural Council for supporting everybody. You know, the kids kids definitely feel the support. I feel the support. Norwells a great town. Hanover like again, the South Shores is a great place to work. Yeah. Like those, like this is, I like, I think I overshot it by saying 15. It's, it's technically 14 years, but it hasn't felt like 14 years at all. It's like crazy that, uh, so much time has passed.
Speaker 2 00:43:16 Yeah, no, it's, it, it, it, it doesn't, it doesn't seem like it's been that long. Like I, I, yeah. You
Speaker 3 00:43:23 Know, I remember the first time I walked down like into the door, it was like Pap sent me here. He was like, go get, go get, uh, scrap, uh, backboard from Dave. He's a nice guy. And I'm like, oh, I'm one of the art teachers from the
Speaker 2 00:43:34 High school. Yeah. Can I
Speaker 3 00:43:36 Have some free map board?
Speaker 4 00:43:37 Oh, sure. Yeah. They run out back
Speaker 3 00:43:39 Teacher put myself on arm.
Speaker 4 00:43:40 Low. It's worth of stuff. Yeah, exactly. So
Speaker 2 00:43:43 Funny. Well, we'll no, when, uh, you know, but you remember maybe when, when Paul, we get Paul in here, maybe he'll, you know, we'll get, we'll bring you along, make you escort him down here. Awesome. Well I know you got, uh, you know, you got a, a young one to pick up,
Speaker 3 00:43:56 So you got the DA got, got the daycare run right now. Yeah. So thanks for fitting me in and uh, uh, accommodating my schedule. I know you guys usually do this a little bit later in the day, so
Speaker 4 00:44:04 Oh, no, no. Whenever people are available we're happy to be able to do this kinda stuff.
Speaker 2 00:44:07 So Yeah, it's always fun. It's fun conversation like, you know, didn't have the hard out. We could probably go for a little bit longer,
Speaker 3 00:44:13 But I can talk. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:44:14 We'll have him come back after the show and let us know how good it would All wins. Can do part,
Speaker 3 00:44:20 Lemme
Speaker 4 00:44:20 Tell you. Well, I wanna thank everybody for listening today and we will catch you next time.
Speaker 2 00:44:27 All right. See ya.
