Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 The
Speaker 1 00:00:03 Free consider.
Speaker 2 00:00:23 All right. So welcome to the Frame Center podcast. Today, uh, we got a special guest. I'm really excited about this one. Scott's excited about this one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, you know, with the Halloween right around the corner, we have one of our favorite, uh, favorite customers, One of our favorite artists, uh, the Spirit artist, Rita Berkowitz.
Speaker 3 00:00:45 Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for having
Speaker 2 00:00:47 Me. Uh, it's my pleasure. You know, I'm ex I'm excited to have you in. I'm Exci. You know, I think that the timing's right because of, uh, you know, cuz of what you're, uh, you know what you do. Yeah. And, uh, you know, what you have done Uhhuh and, you know, I think we have a great relationship with. We do. I mean, I knew you before. I knew you were an artist before I knew you
Speaker 3 00:01:07 Were excited. You were 10 <laugh> you were 10 years old when you used to come into my house. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:01:12 So, um, that was, you know, that's, you know, I think we have a nice history and you know, one of the things I've talked to a lot of people here, um, that we've, we've had on the show or podcast about is, um, sometimes I forget and you know, that I know all these people that are kind of really interesting. And that's one of the reasons I wanted to do this. Fabulous. You know, and one of the reasons why I think we've been able to get some, like really good artists from the South Shore in mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause like I have these relationships, like our, the relationship I have with you that's kinda a little bit deeper than just a, you know, Hey,
Speaker 3 00:01:45 How are you just a customer
Speaker 2 00:01:46 Cus Yeah, exactly. Just
Speaker 3 00:01:48 A customer.
Speaker 2 00:01:49 And, you know, I mean, that's something we would like to grow with all of our customers. We have like, you know, relationships. But, um, you know, I mean, I think we have a,
Speaker 3 00:01:57 A very special very,
Speaker 2 00:01:58 Yeah. And, you know, I look forward to seeing you, you know, the, you and you come in when, when you bring in your sidekick or driver
Speaker 0 00:02:05 David
Speaker 2 00:02:06 As well. Um, you know, so I'm really excited to have you here and I'm really excited to kind of talk about, uh, your, your path as an artist. Okay. Your, uh, path as a spirit. Uh, what do we
Speaker 3 00:02:20 Spirit artist.
Speaker 2 00:02:20 Spirit artist. Yes. And medium or so? Um, if you want to want to tell 'em, Wanna give a little
Speaker 3 00:02:28 History? Yeah. Okay. Yes. How it all began. Um, I was very interested in healing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> not that interested in being a medium. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> went to the Spiritualist church and when I went there, there was another medium that was there that kept walking around saying, Rita, you're a spirit artist. And I used to say, Go away from me, Barbara. That's not what I wanna do. <laugh>. And she would say, Rita, you're a spirit artist. And then finally one day to, um, stop her from badgering me, uh, I agreed to come to her class Yep. And try it cuz I had never done it before. Had you had an art history at I had, Oh, I, I had a great art history. I was lucky enough to go to the High School of Art and Design and then Prat Institute, so yeah. Okay. Then the museum school. Yeah. So you were already establi I was already an artist. You were artist. I just established at this point I was, when
Speaker 2 00:03:20 You were getting into the
Speaker 3 00:03:21 Healing, the healing part, the healing part was always interested. You know, when I was seven years old, I used to have a dream that I would go to people's houses and put my hand on their back and they would get better. Hmm. And so that was something that I really, really, really wanted to do. Yep. And so, as I said, Bob Reiki or is that like, It's similar to reiki. Spiritualist healing is very similar to Reiki. You go up, you get connected to those who are the higher powers that are working with you, and then you channel the energy through your body. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> out your hands to the person. Um, spiritualist healing, you don't necessarily have to do the symbols. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, reiki healing, you do do the symbols, but, uh, if you know what that is. And so that's really the difference between the two of them.
Speaker 3 00:04:04 Hmm. Um, so I wanted to do that. Barbara kept saying, You're gonna be a spirit artist. You're a spirit artist. And so I agreed to coach to her class to try it. And so everybody's sitting in a big circle. And I did one sketch and it was a Native American man and I didn't think all that much of it when I did it. And then the second one was a middle-aged man, and the third one was an adolescent boy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, after I drew the adolescent boy, man took out his wallet, took out a photograph, he said, That's my son. You just drew him mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I can't thank you enough. Yeah. Wow. And I will tell you I got scared and I won't use the word cuz we're on public radio now. Yep. Um, but I, I got so scared because I realized my life was never gonna be the same mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 00:04:46 <affirmative>. Yep. And then I turned around and looked at the person that I drew the middle aged man for, and she's sitting there with tears coming down her face and said, You just drew my father. Oh, wow. Yeah. So that's how that all started. And, um, so they kept throwing me up on the platform and throwing me for mediums days and throwing me here to keep, you know, keep establishing my work. Um, so I started to do it and it became known. Yep. So then, um, a man named Bob Olson contacted me from of spirit.com mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And um, he wrote an article about me Yep. And I did a sketch for him and his mother found this portrait, uh, of a great, great uncle Yeah. Who with a big mustache who was in the military. So he had the military hat on and this great big mustache cuz it was late 18 hundreds. Yep, sure. When this photograph was from. And he said, I wanna write an article about you. I said, Great. He came down to interview me, um, and he wrote the article and he did a video. And then he said, I'm starting this thing of spirit.com. Yep. Well, from that, the Idiots Guide people found Yep. <laugh>. And so they contacted me and said, Will you please write the book the completed it's Guide to Communicating the Spirits? And so
Speaker 2 00:06:07 Now they've changed the name on that.
Speaker 3 00:06:08 They, they, they've left the Idiot's Guide off. I think the Idiot's Guides are gone
Speaker 2 00:06:13 Book.
Speaker 3 00:06:14 So now it's just called Communicated With Spirits. Yeah. <laugh>. Um, but anyhow, you can get it on Amazon. Yeah. Um, but the, that book like blew up my career from being somebody who did readings on the weekend Yeah. To somebody who was doing readings daily. Yeah. And, um, got to travel a lot, got to be invited to different places. I got to do, um, radio in Los Angeles. I got to do, uh, be invited to different new age centers. Yeah. And at that point we're talking about, you know, 2001, the New Age movement was still relatively new at that time. And here I was the person who came and would demonstrate and, you know, do these sketches or I did the five hour radio program in, um, LA and I, I've done, I was the psychic from Boston to radio show in Shreveport, Louisiana where they came on and the Bible thumpers came on. And so that was, I
Speaker 2 00:07:19 Think it was there a fox zip trip to, to
Speaker 3 00:07:22 Norwell? Yes. I did a Fox zip trip. Go. I forgot about that one. Yeah. Yeah. They did the, I did the fox, uh, Fox zip trip. Yep. In Norwell. Yeah. The best secret found in Norwell, you know,
Speaker 2 00:07:33 <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:07:33 Yeah. And, um, and that was really fascinating because the person who was interviewing me really was a skeptic. Yeah. And I drew a man who was her grandfather mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I drew him in a suit and tie. Yep. And she said, I never saw my grandfather in a suit and tie. And then she called her mom and her mom sent her a photograph of the grandfather wearing the suit and tie that I drew him in.
Speaker 2 00:08:03 So when you are, when you're doing those drawings Yeah. Like, like how does it, like
Speaker 3 00:08:08 How does it happen?
Speaker 2 00:08:08 I mean, I mean obviously I'm sure it's like, you know, I mean, is it something you're conscious of or do you like see like, do you see what you're drawing in your head or do
Speaker 3 00:08:17 I see what I'm drawing in my head? Um, and the hands take away, it's sort of a combination if you think of in uh, automatic writing. Yep. So it's like automatic drawing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, then sometimes, you know, and I always say sometimes your guides, cuz those are who work with you to do the work mm-hmm. <affirmative>, sometimes your guides will actually, um, play with you a little bit. Yep. So there are times I've gotten up on the stage, there's my big pad there, I'm ready to sketch. Yep. And they say trust. And you know, that's the word I always tell my students. Trust. You have to trust. Yeah. So in the trusting I see nothing mm-hmm. <affirmative> just, they just take my hand and let it go look. And, and that's cool. Yeah. I mean that's really cool. Um, but how I see them, whether I'm doing them as a sketch or whether I'm doing just a regular reading, um, I see them as a hologram.
Speaker 3 00:09:07 Yep. So if I'm looking out into the audience mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I will see like a hologram standing over your shoulder. Gotcha. And so I'll say, you know, I'm seeing this person, or I see them just in my mind's eye. Yep. And so I see this person and then inside of me, I feel their personality. I feel how they stood, I feel how they walked, I feel how what took them. Yep. Um, and so it's a fascinating process to go through mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I love doing the work. Um, but right now I'm, I I'll say semiretired. Yeah. Uh, because I'm spending more of my time in my art studio Sure. Than I am, you know, doing this work. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, when I was a child, I mean younger than when you came to my house the first time, my mother used to ask me, Who are you drawing?
Speaker 3 00:10:00 Yeah. Why are you drawing all these faces? Who are these people? And I says, They come to me. Yeah. I said, I don't know who they are. Yeah. But they just come to me. Yeah. So I would see these different people, um, in my head. Yeah. And I would sketch them. Yep. And you know, and you can imagine a seven or eight year old child. I mean, I did have some ability, but, you know, a seven or eight year old child trying to draw a portrait and, and I was drawing these faces of all these people and that's how it actually very, very beginnings of it. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 2 00:10:32 It's funny too cuz then you're drawing, you know, as a child you're drawing these things you don't know, but then you go to Pratt, right? Yeah. So that, like you, you already have like this history of drawing figure figures.
Speaker 3 00:10:43 Figures and faces and, and art and design also, which was, which helps. Yep. And you know, I had a friend who, um, she's in spirit now, um, but I had a friend when I first started chatting with her when we first became friends, and she was a psychic medium also. And she said to me that if I had known when I was 20 years old that I was gonna be spending my days drawing dead people, I probably would've run for the hills. Yeah. But in fact, um, you know, it became something that I saw the healing happen. So I wanted to start the spiritual path in a healing modality. Yeah. Yep. Um, I, in my life have had two miraculous healings done on me. Yep. And, um, it was both incredible experiences mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And one was, I had breast cancer when I was younger Yep.
Speaker 3 00:11:39 And I had bad chemotherapy and my mentor Bob Miller Yep. Who was a healer and that's why I followed him. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, would put his hands on me, raised them up and it was like my body was sucked out like a vacuum. Yeah. And before he had done that, I said to somebody who lived around the corner from me and was there with his wife, Can one of you drive my car home? Yeah. I can't drive. Mm. The next I, after he did the healing, Jack came up to me, he said, Okay, can I have your keys? I'll take you home now. And I said, I'm fine. And I worked a full day the next day in my studio. Hmm. So from somebody who, you know, couldn't even drive their car home from Quincy to Norwell at that time, all of a sudden I could work a full day painting and painting. It's not relaxing work for those people who think it is. It's, you know, it's, you're really, you know, you're pulling your, your, um, your brain is working. You're, And and I do ask my guides to work with me when I paint. Yes. Yeah. Um, but you know, it's, this is happening and so you're working really hard in getting this stuff out and getting this stuff going. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:12:51 Now the, uh, so had a couple questions regarding the, here we go. Like, now that we're touching on these things too, like, so a lot of, I remember vividly a couple of the pieces in your house when I was a kid. Now are those, were those like guided too, but by
Speaker 3 00:13:09 The farmer as you referred to him? Yeah. He's actually very interesting story with that painting. The image came to me. Yeah. I was working in Dorchester with troubled adolescent boys. You probably remember that. Yeah. No, yeah. And so I'm like, what are these kids was glued to my hip pain in my rear. Yeah. Okay. And he's still in touch with me and he's now 54. Yeah. Geez. So, um, anyhow, I said, Who dropped this kid in my lap? And I see that image of that painting mm-hmm. <affirmative> of the tobacco farmer. And then the, the kid's name is Anthony Kid's 54. Uh, but the kid's name is Anthony. And he came into the studio and said, Look pointed and said, I know that guy, who is it mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I said to him, Well, when I told him the story of how the image came and so giggled when I said the kids a pain in my rear. Yeah. Um, but he looked at it and he said, Oh, my father's whole family were tobacco farmers. Okay. So
Speaker 4 00:14:12 That's, Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:14:13 It's not something from
Speaker 4 00:14:14 Around here either. We didn't have a lot of tobacco
Speaker 3 00:14:16 Farms around. We don't have a lot. There's a few in Connecticut, but none in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 00:14:19 Yeah, exactly. So it's not exactly a local, you know, it's not corn docks, <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:14:23 Yes.
Speaker 2 00:14:23 Yeah. So when we were there, so now when you do the, like, cuz I obviously your work's evolved a little bit from like the, the portraits and
Speaker 3 00:14:31 Well I had
Speaker 2 00:14:32 A lot of the stuff you do now is like waterfalls and like, you know, uh, wa water bases there. Like a, is there a connection between that and the
Speaker 3 00:14:41 Spirits? Waterfalls is a metaphor for life.
Speaker 2 00:14:43 Mm. Okay.
Speaker 3 00:14:43 Okay. Water is a metaphor for life. We are made what we 96% water or something like that. So, and I'm a water sign, so the water, Right. Yep. So the, the attraction to water was very important to me when we moved to Ciit where I am living now mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I looked out at the marsh, I said, How can I not paint this? I had closed my studio in when I started, got really crazy with the spiritual work because I was going 24 7 doing that. Um, and then we saw, you know, I saw the marsh and I said, Whew, that's just incredible. I have to paint that. So then I go to the South Shore Arts Center mm-hmm. <affirmative> and sign up for a class with Donna Rosetti Bailey, who was the only, it was the only day that I had off during the week. Yep. Because I said, I need a day for me. Donna's great. And Donna's great. Hilarious. Now one of my very dearest friends. Yep. Um, and she loves to hear the spiritual stories. She gets very excited. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:15:39 She's coming on.
Speaker 3 00:15:41 She's coming on. Fabulous.
Speaker 2 00:15:42 Fabulous. She's gonna, I think she's gonna show, maybe it's, I forget it cuz there's a couple, a lot of people that are, that I've to, that are lined up and, uh, generally trying to around some, uh, some sort of event. Yep. Um, to kind of promote that as well. So yeah, she's,
Speaker 3 00:15:57 She's gonna call, she's fabulous. She be great to talk to too. So the first day of class she said, Well you're obviously not that new. Cause she didn't know who I was. You're obviously not that new <laugh>. Um, what were you doing before? Yep. So I very quietly, because I didn't want it to get around class and become everybody scared, <laugh>, um, that I'm toing into what they're doing that be hounded by them the whole time of the class <laugh>. So, you know, I told her what I did and then I went back to painting. And then in that class it was a five hour class, so we'd break for lunch and do a critique. Oh, you go. And so at the time we broke for lunch, Donna says, Get girls, guess who we have here? <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:16:37 Oh boy. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:16:39 And I'll say they go, Oh God. Yeah. And so she told them and some backed away and some came very close. So
Speaker 2 00:16:46 Never saw some of those people again. <laugh>. They
Speaker 3 00:16:49 Actually stayed. They were the thing that I found fascinating, it was my only day off a week. There were 12 women who were all spiritual people. Yeah. Coming from different directions. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but all spiritual people.
Speaker 2 00:17:00 Well these things have a
Speaker 3 00:17:01 Way of working on these have Yes. You know, you're guided, you know, you're guided through life. So, um, so, uh, that's how I started doing the painting again. Yeah. And that's why the water and the waterfall, and almost matter of fact, this last week, I'm taking a, at a master's class now Okay. At the South Shore Arts Center from Loder O'Connor, who's a phenomenal artist. Um, and she, you know, we did an assignment and somebody said to me, There's no water. Yeah. I would that I painted a painting with no water. Yeah. That became something to,
Speaker 2 00:17:40 That
Speaker 3 00:17:40 Was the odd thing. That was the odd thing. Now what was different about this? There was no water. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:17:44 No kidding. Were you happy with the way the painting came off?
Speaker 3 00:17:47 Love the way the painting came out. What was it? It was a path with a tree. Yep. And then there was another one that you just framed them all last week. Yep. <laugh>. And there was another one, um, that was, it started off as something and you know, and then we were supposed to bring in what's called a brushed off board mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So when you're not satisfied with your pastel piece, you can take a a brush and get all that loose pastel off. So then you get sort of this amorphic, um, field of different colors mm-hmm. Yeah. That are on the paper. And so then that guided mm-hmm. <affirmative> into what I was gonna do. Nice. And it had to be, we had gone the week before to hon to farms. And so it had to be inspired by something from there. Yeah. So from what was a bright sunny day.
Speaker 3 00:18:41 And if I showed you the first painting that I did there, and I showed you the painting that we framed here last week Yeah. You would say, Wow. That, but you could see that, you know, it is that the forms and so on are there, but what is very abstract and what is um, very realistic and detailed. And detailed and so on. And I particularly, I used to do abstract painting way back before I did the big figures for a while, and I always loved the thick and thin. Yep. You know, having a very thin film of color and then you build on top of that. The top of it. Yeah. And so that's what I'm doing now. Yep. I, I told Donna about it, um, about a week or so ago after I took that class, I was lying in bed and I was downloaded mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So for me, my guides will come in and say, Okay, this is what you're gonna be doing. This is what has to happen. So then a painting that I had started in the studio, brought it over to the industrial sink, brushed it all off and did a whole different piece with it. Yeah. That I'm very happy with.
Speaker 2 00:19:44 Yeah. And the pastel seems like it's a good medium for working with, for like, for you like just the No, like the muddiness. Like the, like the
Speaker 3 00:19:53 Way isight Well, you can, but we have people in the class that are doing oils that are doing, um
Speaker 2 00:19:58 Oh, okay. So the class
Speaker 3 00:20:00 Is, the class is not just pastel. Yeah. I would say probably a good half of us are pastel. Mm-hmm. But there's oils acrylics, and somebody's doing watercolor and pastel. So it's for anybody Sure. Um, who wants to be furthering their work at a level that's high. I mean, I looked at the people in the class and said, Holy, these people are great <laugh>, why belong here? So, you know,
Speaker 2 00:20:25 They, I mean we're fortunate the South Shore is, is
Speaker 3 00:20:28 Flooded with wonderful artists. Awful artists. Yeah. Fabulous arts community.
Speaker 2 00:20:32 Yeah. No, it is. It's great. We have Great South Shores, a fantastic organization. North River's a
Speaker 3 00:20:38 Great, great organization. Plymouth. Yeah. They all are. Yeah. Then there's Duxbury Duxbury.
Speaker 2 00:20:43 Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, there's a lot around here. And that's part of what my vision is for, you know, what we're doing here to try to be like this,
Speaker 3 00:20:51 You know, an art center Yeah, exactly. Within the shop. Yeah. Which would be fabulous
Speaker 2 00:20:55 To kind of connect everything. Cause you know, we keep talking about this and we keep, you know, there's all these groups and they do, they kind of compete with each other, you know? Yeah. But we don't compete with them. We're kind of a, a piece for all of them cuz we, you know, we're, you know, we do so much work for all the artists and all the organizations. We try to support them. So
Speaker 3 00:21:15 You do wonderful support for them. And
Speaker 2 00:21:17 I know that I'm trying to be like this hub for all of the art, the art scene, so that, you know, so that they don't have to worry about competing with themselves. I was talking to Sally Dean about this too, the other day. Yeah. And it's like, it would almost make sense for all these organizations to have one representative go into like, so that they have like a meeting or something and be like, All right, let's do this. A guild,
Speaker 3 00:21:41 The first Guild, Well, yeah. Guild. But, but, and, and all of the towns have, um, you know, there's the, you know, there's the, the, um, Waymouth Arts Center, not art center, but art, um, Association. Association. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, the Waymouth Art Association I've demonstrated for the Braintree Art Association. So, you know, they're again, South Shore Yeah. Supports the, what's the one? Cole's? Another big one. Yeah. Hall. Yes. Yeah. I've Sheldon Hull. The, um, the whatcha you call is the, um, the way down at the end of Hull, there's the museum and they do a show every year, see Sky. Yep. And so, you know, it's like the life saving, life saving museum. Yes. Yep. And so, um, that working is, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:22:27 It's almost, almost too big. Right. There's too
Speaker 3 00:22:29 Many, there's, there's so much. Well, you know, it's, it's fascinating because amongst the artists, because you probably hear some of the conversation, but the public doesn't hear the conversation. Everything happens at once. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:22:39 No, no, it
Speaker 3 00:22:40 Does. And, you know, and it's like, okay, what piece, what's my favorite piece? Who am I gonna give that one to? What's my second favorite piece? Who am I gonna give that one to? Yeah. You know, So, um, so you go through this,
Speaker 2 00:22:50 Oh, there's some I you know too, cuz there's some that are, the dates are staggered. So it's like someone gets a piece rejected from here, they pick it up and
Speaker 3 00:22:58 Then, and they drop it off and then it was, it awarded the next one. Exactly. Because it's all about, you know, the different, it's very subjective, you know, we, we hope it's not, but it is. Yes. So, um, so the, you bring your rejected here. Okay. It's gonna go here. Okay. They love it. Okay. It's got a ribbon next to it. Okay. You're happy. Well,
Speaker 2 00:23:15 That's a good
Speaker 3 00:23:15 And salt, It's also even better
Speaker 2 00:23:18 <laugh>, it's also a good thing for people to hear too. So, you know, it is subjective and like, I've been rejected from numerous shows and I one it, it does it, it it's a, it's a,
Speaker 3 00:23:29 You get it Yeah. In your stomach. Yeah. You
Speaker 2 00:23:32 Know, but knowing that, you know, like I, you know, I was talking to somebody and they'd got, they'd won an, they had a piece, they won an award in one show, and then they, they brought it to a different show and
Speaker 3 00:23:41 It got, it got rejected. No, I've had that happen too. It's, it's a, it's a, a fascinating thing. You're,
Speaker 2 00:23:46 I thought
Speaker 3 00:23:47 This was good. What happened? You
Speaker 2 00:23:48 Know, you think you got Sure thing, you know, you're gonna be in the show. So, I mean, I think that people like hearing that I think is is is good because you don't want to beat yourself up just because, just because one person who's judging a show Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:03 It's not their taste sound. Yeah. You know, it, it's, it is so subjective. Um, you have a sensibility of what you think is good art. Yeah. And sometimes you can't cross that. Yep. You know, and so if you see, and I've juried chosen, um, and I was once at a party one time where a bit I, the hostess of the party said, Okay, here is this gentleman and you're an artist too, and you know, I'll have you talk. And I said, Well, you know, where's you work? So on and so forth. And he said, The Copley Society. And I said, Oh, I just jury to show there. And he said, Yes, I got rejected <laugh>. That's what, And I
Speaker 4 00:24:43 Yeah. Arts like food, you know, everybody's got their own taste,
Speaker 3 00:24:47 You know, it makes sense. Some nights you want Italian, some nights you want Chinese. But
Speaker 4 00:24:50 Exactly. Some days you may like a watercolor dish, You want, you
Speaker 3 00:24:53 Know, a fun Right.
Speaker 4 00:24:54 A fine oil painting, you know, it's, or an abstract, you know.
Speaker 2 00:24:57 Yeah. It's people that have probably have biased too. Right. Right. Well I'm not gonna accept any pieces with a cat of it or Oh my God, <laugh>. And, and I've jud shows before too and just cuz of what we do here, you know, if something's got a, like a terrible frame on it Yeah. Or it's not frame right. Like that.
Speaker 3 00:25:15 And that was the reason, that was the reason why that gentleman was rejected because it was probably a six by eight painting and a gold frame that was so big that all I could see was the frame. Yeah. Yeah. And I said, I wouldn't show a piece like that. I wanna see the painting, not
Speaker 4 00:25:31 The Yeah. It's a balance.
Speaker 3 00:25:32 Although we are at the Frame Center <laugh>, and although those big gold frames are expensive, this, you
Speaker 2 00:25:37 Know, the setting matters
Speaker 4 00:25:39 Make it really pop. But the wrong thing. It's like you said, you look at the frame before you look at the art.
Speaker 3 00:25:43 The frame was so prevalent in my face that I could not see Yeah. What the painting sometimes
Speaker 2 00:25:49 On piece like that, it's like I, you know, then I'm not seeing the piece like certain works that are at a certain level can get, can carry a frame like that. Right. And then sometimes like, you don't want it to look force. Like if your painting can't carry a, like a, you know, a small painting with a three four inch wide goal
Speaker 3 00:26:08 Frame. Yeah. That's, and that's what, that's who I have you help us andd to help us to select the right frames for pieces.
Speaker 2 00:26:16 Yeah. Well you have a distinct style.
Speaker 3 00:26:18 Well I have a distinct style that I know where the frames I want. And as long as they don't go outta stock, we're good. <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:26:24 I'm sure your framing has changed though over the years too from what you used to have to what you have now. Like I've gone back and looked. You
Speaker 3 00:26:29 Had I would say similar. Yeah. But, um, there was a frame that you used to carry that used to have sort of like a copper color inlet. And that was my frame, you know, And then at the very beginning when I was first painting the marshes, you had this, um, sort of drift woody Yeah. Kind of frame. And that was my frame. And then I came in one day and said, it's outta the, they meant not making it anymore. I can't blame you. Yeah. Uh, but they're not making it anymore. Then the one with the copper, which a lot of us use cuz that copper will pick up any orange
Speaker 4 00:27:02 Gold. Yeah. Donna does it too. Donna has that one set of copper bronze kind colors that she owes. She always goes, it's like her starter and then, you know, then
Speaker 3 00:27:09 It doesn't work. And then she'll try some. And on Mondays we paint a group of us that painted Donna's house. Oh, okay. And so when she finishes a painting, she gets out her frame, she puts it next. What do you think girls? What do you think <laugh> and, you know, and so and so it's, uh, we are such a community together to work with. Um, but yeah, the bronze frame is is one, it's a bronze wood frame, not a
Speaker 4 00:27:32 Bronze metal frame. Yeah. The industrial metal. It's got like, that pitted kind of the one that you use. The square tubed one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:27:38 I use a very square, very contemporary
Speaker 4 00:27:40 Frame. Yeah. It's got just a slight kind of color shift on if the light hits in
Speaker 2 00:27:45 A certain way. It has an industrial field. Yeah. You know, home across the room. It just looks, you
Speaker 3 00:27:49 Know, it looks like a nice fit. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 00:27:51 <affirmative>.
Speaker 2 00:27:52 Uh, yeah. And then back to the, like the, the, uh, the south shore like community. Now you do a lot of stuff at, at South Shore Art
Speaker 3 00:28:01 Center. I'm a gallery artist.
Speaker 2 00:28:03 South Shore. Yeah. Um, you, you are involved with North River too?
Speaker 3 00:28:06 Or, or? I, I do. You know, I'm a member of North River. I enter their shows and, and pray. Yeah. Um, I'm a member of Plymouth and Duxbury. Yeah. So that's where you get, you know, you're like, come September, you're, you're like inundated with more emails from this show is happening. This show is happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there are the national shows. Yeah. Um, from the different pastel societies. Mm-hmm. Each state has the pastel or almost every state has a pastel society. Um,
Speaker 2 00:28:34 New Mexico, the big one,
Speaker 3 00:28:36 New Mexico is IAPs is.
Speaker 2 00:28:38 Okay.
Speaker 3 00:28:38 IAPs is, um, once every two years the pastels get together. Yep. If they so desire in New Mexico. Yep. Um,
Speaker 2 00:28:49 Do you make that trip?
Speaker 3 00:28:50 I've made it a good few times.
Speaker 2 00:28:51 Is there some other, like, some healing and stuff like that going on in New Mexico too, right?
Speaker 3 00:28:55 Truly. Yes. <laugh>. So, um, but usually I go with a bunch of girls. So we, we go to, you're sort of focused on pastels at that
Speaker 2 00:29:03 Time. I wanna go to New Mexico for
Speaker 3 00:29:05 Other Oh. It, it's fa you know, the, the healing that goes on in the southwest Yep. Um, is pretty profound. Mm.
Speaker 2 00:29:14 What's that? What is that like? There's like some part of like the, Or what is it? Like? Uh, I don't like if there's something in there, like in the
Speaker 3 00:29:25 Group, Well, there a
Speaker 2 00:29:26 Vortex. Vortex. That's the word
Speaker 3 00:29:27 I'm looking for. I guess. So, um, yeah. So if you are in the presence of a vortex Yeah. Um, the experience and I could always say it that way. Yeah. The experience of this energy rushing through your body. Yep. Um, feeling it, it almost feels like all of a sudden you don't feel like you're in the physical anymore. Yep. Many times. A a good friend of mine brought me there. Yep. Um, and said she was, she had moved to Sedona for a while. Yep. And so she brought me there and she said, I wanna bring you to a vortex. Cause it was right after I had had the cancer. Sure. So she brought me there and she said, she said, I'm gonna stand behind you and just channel energy and you just suck it in. And it was like
Speaker 2 00:30:12 PH so what, what what, like what forms of vortex? Like, uh, Yeah. What
Speaker 3 00:30:17 Forms of vortex?
Speaker 2 00:30:18 Yeah. We're gonna cut away from the art
Speaker 3 00:30:20 For a
Speaker 2 00:30:20 Minute year. Cause I'm intrigued and I know you're the one to
Speaker 3 00:30:23 Ask. There are <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:30:25 <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:30:26 The earth has a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 00:30:28 Yep.
Speaker 3 00:30:29 The earth has a lot of healing. Yep. Most of us are not grounded. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:30:33 <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah. My acupuncture sas me walking on make sure my feet are on the,
Speaker 3 00:30:37 On the ground. You know, you know, you, if you wanna go very technically in the mid 1950s, we stopped wearing leather sold shoes and started wearing rubber soul shoes.
Speaker 2 00:30:46 Yep.
Speaker 3 00:30:47 And so those rubish soul shoes stops you from getting the energy of the earth. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and this woman that I was talking about who invited me to Sedona, used to say to me, Rita got out on the grass, put your feet on the grass. Yep. This was a long time ago. Yeah. You know, this was way before all the new wage stuff was
Speaker 2 00:31:03 Around. That's fine. So my acupuncturist is,
Speaker 3 00:31:05 She's absolutely
Speaker 2 00:31:05 Correct. He, he pushes me on this all the time. Yeah. Like, and I've got an, it's part of my morning routine work out Yep. Have a cup of coffee, and then I just have a second cup of coffee and I walk around outside Yep. With my feet on the ground of the weather.
Speaker 3 00:31:19 Well, even if it's snowing. Yep. Then it's a little harder to walk around then. So, um, walk around on wood or on stone in your house if you have a wood or a stone floor. Okay. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that because that's an earth element. Okay. Okay. So, um, but yeah, that's, so the energy there just comes up from the earth and you, you know, if, if I would give it a visual, it's like a spiral. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so if I were to do healing on you and I started to move my hand like this without touching you, you can feel
Speaker 2 00:31:54 Yep.
Speaker 3 00:31:54 The energy of me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> doing that. And that's what you feel the earth is doing that for you when you're there.
Speaker 2 00:32:01 Yeah. So that sound like I might push that up. My list of places I want to get to. You
Speaker 3 00:32:05 Should go to Sedona. Sedona. You should Yeah. Go to Sedona. Um, you go for these walks. I mean, when you, you could get maps in Sedona that show you where the different vortexes
Speaker 2 00:32:15 Are. So Jen, I think so Sedona I think might be the spot. Jen's been teaching yoga, She's been doing all that stuff. And I think
Speaker 3 00:32:22 There'll be me for 45 years.
Speaker 2 00:32:24 She, I think there's a, uh, a retreats, a retreat. And I think Sedona is the spot, uh, you know, that she
Speaker 3 00:32:30 Would to not surprise her. Cuz it, it's, And and you have also the Native American culture that's there that because natural healing is, um, a very part of, very big part of the Native American culture. Yeah. Their culture, which we can now flip over to what's happening Saturday night at Women of Wisdom. Ah,
Speaker 2 00:32:48 Next. Oh, here we go. Segue.
Speaker 3 00:32:51 Segue. Because the man I'm going to be working with is a medicine man. Okay. Um, he is, we always call us the shaman and the medium. Yep. And or the medium and the shaman. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, whoever he, he designs our little ads. Yep. And so Saturday night we're doing a seance there. Nice. Says for the celebration of Halloween, everybody thinks the veil between the worlds at Halloween is the thinnest, not my experience. I've never noticed it any thicker at any times or any thinner at any time. If
Speaker 2 00:33:21 It gets people, if it
Speaker 3 00:33:22 Gets open their minds to open their minds up, that's what matters. That's so ums. A we're gonna be doing that Saturday night at Women of Wisdom in Easton Easton from five 30 to seven 30. There's still just, there's just a couple of seats left. And
Speaker 2 00:33:36 How do people find, uh,
Speaker 3 00:33:37 They can, uh, go on Women of Wisdom's website. Okay. Get their phone number. Call up now. Because if you wanna get in, I mean, from what Tom told me last night, there's three slots left. Yeah. So if you're interested in coming in, this is a great evening. Tom and I have a lot of fun working together. And, um, and
Speaker 2 00:33:57 When you say a seance, like what, what is that consistent, you know, like you just
Speaker 3 00:34:01 Chant and No, we're not gonna chance. Um, Tom and I usually do some praying and chanting a little bit before we come out. Yep. So I said to him, Okay, you've gotta be there at five o'clock so we can do our thing. You know, which is for me very important.
Speaker 2 00:34:16 Yeah, yeah. Warmed up. Right. It's a warmup.
Speaker 3 00:34:18 Yeah. It's like, make yourself open to make yourself open. That's what you're doing. You're like, you're opening up to the guides. You are, um, asking them for the help you say certain prayers and he does it in, um, the native language. Yep. And so I just like write along with him, you know, and then I do it in English and then explain to him what the different things are that I'm doing. And so now we know what each other is doing, so we just sort of go through it. Yeah. Um, and it's so much fun. You know, he calls me his sister. Yeah. Um, and he's a big, big, big band. Yeah. He makes you look little <laugh>. Um, he's a big man. Yeah. And, um, he's, it's fascinating. I mean, his story, if you, if you ever get a chance to hear his story.
Speaker 3 00:35:11 Yep. It's magnificent because when he was like 19 years old, and I hope I'm saying it exactly correctly, he went to visit his grandfather at the reservation in North Dakota. Yep. And then when he was there, and he was a dark-skinned man at that time mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. That's the, that's the segue. He was dark-skinned. Yeah. Okay. When he was there, he said to his grandfather, I need to go to Arizona, I need to go on a vision quest. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so he went on the vision quest and he started to fade with a two weeks period of time. All of the pigment left his skin and hair. So, And I saw the before and after pictures. Yeah. You know, I, when I met him, he was already, so I met him at my very first public demonstration and we didn't know who each other was.
Speaker 3 00:36:02 And, um, at that point I didn't, you know, I was like really due to it. So I used to have whoever I was drawing for to come down to the stake so I could just hold their hands, you know, and get in that way. And so here is this whitest man I've ever seen. Um, and I'm drawing a Native American person. Yeah. And I'm saying, Oh, I mess it up big time, <laugh>. Yeah. I am. So it's not Koshi here and you just gotta trust it. Yeah. I had to trust it. So the last thing I said to him was, and this man is saying to you, go, is the crow flies mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he reached into his shirt, pulled out a pendant of a crow that his grandfather gave him the last time he saw his grandfather alive. And his grandfather said to him, You go as the crow flies. That's wild. So that's how it happens. Yeah. So it's very, it's very cool.
Speaker 2 00:36:55 Now how often do you, and uh, you said Tom,
Speaker 3 00:36:58 Tom and I will work together usually once a year, occasionally something else, but Halloween women of wisdom we've been doing together for.
Speaker 2 00:37:06 That's, And how does anyone find out about, uh, you know, other things that you're doing? Is
Speaker 3 00:37:11 It read I always.com or, Uh, it's Rita Berkowitz Art Now. We change it, it used to be the Spirit artist.co. And somebody bought that out from under Me. Oh. <laugh>. Um, so, uh, so now it's rita berkowitz art.com and they can go on there and they can, They see your artwork. They see my artwork. Any events most of the time, the events that I have, I post on social media. Social media, because that's really the way, unless somebody's really looking for you. Yeah, yeah. They're not gonna necessarily, So social media is the way to get any of the events out there. Yeah. So I usually post it on Facebook, Instagram, I thing
Speaker 4 00:37:47 Facebook. That's what we try to do is get enough, have a central calendar with every different event locally, trying to list it. So like fourth, uh, fourth floor artists, fourth
Speaker 3 00:37:56 Floor artists are having open studios. Which is, which is right around the corner also. Yeah. Three weeks. Right. So my, my studio is in the right building in Rockland. Yep. Um, You've been there for a while. I've been there for 11 years now. Hard to imagine.
Speaker 4 00:38:09 Yeah. Cause people get confused as to the two buildings, you
Speaker 3 00:38:11 Know, the Yeah. There's the, there's the sad paper factory and the right building. We're basically around the corner from each other. Yep. So people who wanna make it a full day or a weekend will actually go to both mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. There are, I think we have 50 or 60 studios in my building. Yep. And then in the other building, I'm not sure, cuz they, I know they renovated, so I'm not sure, but I know some of the artists that are in the, the other building, they're phenomenal. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, I would recommend to anybody come and see both if you wanna come and say hey to me. Yeah. I'm in Studio 2 0 3 in the right building and I'd love to say hello. You say you saw me on the, um, the podcast, podcast for the Frame Center. And, you know, maybe we'll print up some little cards and you can get a little free piece of little print of a painting. Nice.
Speaker 2 00:39:01 Yeah. I think that's a great
Speaker 3 00:39:02 Idea. I think that's a great idea. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:39:04 We'll get some of those set. Okay. Um, so the, the, uh, is there, like, being in that building, is there, like, does that help you get work done too? I mean, its building
Speaker 3 00:39:15 Inspirational. It's an old building. Yes. It's firstly the, the community is there. I share my studio with a fabulous artist. Marie Peters. Marie Peter. Yep. I very, and Marie is, um, she's, you know, she's a genius. I always say, uh, she's my favorite mad woman because her mind never stops. Yeah. I always was, when I moved in with her, I was petrified because I'm a very active person. You're
Speaker 2 00:39:38 Scared of her. She's gonna be skinny, I think really would be the other
Speaker 3 00:39:40 One. She just sat there and painted. Yep. You know, and or did her collages and she's so calm. Yeah. And she's so steady and I'm like, back and forth, back and forth. Ooh. Ooh. Back and forth, back and forth. Yeah. And she stays still. And I said, I'm probably gonna drive this lady nuts. And she said, I don't even notice it. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:40:00 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:40:01 No kidding. Because she's so in her zone focused Yeah. That, that's what she does. And she switches from doing collage to doing oils, to doing acrylics, to doing printmaking. That's crazy. So where she has to let something dry over here. She's got something in the whole other medium over here that she's gonna work in. Yeah. You know, I, I say I'm true to my painting. I have to finish it before I go on. Too much else. Yeah. You
Speaker 2 00:40:23 On something else before that one's
Speaker 3 00:40:24 Finished. Yeah. I'm, I'm focused on
Speaker 2 00:40:26 That. I know that for me too. You do the group with Donna too, Like now Donna's over in that. Is she in, is she in those buildings too or is
Speaker 3 00:40:34 She No, Donna, Donna has a great studio in her house. Her house, which is where we come to paint. And Donna, again, love, I was ill, I couldn't come to class because I was having treatments done on Wednesday when her class was. And she said, So we'll have some of the girls come down and paint with you on Monday so you don't have to paint alone. Oh, there you go. And this started six and a half years ago. Nice. And on most Mondays we're at Donna's house. <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:41:02 Paint. That's great. So, and then you have two, is it like two different, uh, communities or is there some care?
Speaker 3 00:41:08 There's, there's definitely crossover. Lot of crossover, kind of like definitely crossover associations.
Speaker 2 00:41:12 Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:41:13 Definitely a crossover. We, um, as a matter of fact, the Loda O'Connor who's teaching the Master's class Yep. Was a student in my first class when I was working with Donta Rosetti Bailey. Yeah. And then now Donna is at the next table to be in the master's class. Yeah. And Lorenda is teaching that class. That's right. So it's, it's fa and sometimes Loda paints with us and um, there's a few other people that paint with us. Maureen Spinelli, who I know, you know, um, she sometimes is there and Sue Karrigan, I don't know if you know Oh yeah, sure. You know Sue Kagan. Okay. Um, so Sue Karrigan, most
Speaker 2 00:41:50 Of 'em, we know most of 'em. And if, if we don't, I, you know, I feel
Speaker 3 00:41:53 Like if we don't, I have to drag them here to make sure that they buy their frames here <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:41:58 But even if they don't, most of the names, I mean, I try to get to most of the shows, you know, so I, you know, I see people, I can appreciate people's work whether or not they're
Speaker 3 00:42:08 Supporting your business <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:42:09 You know, regardless, I mean, you know, the, the, the
Speaker 3 00:42:12 Thrive, you have a great idea.
Speaker 2 00:42:13 The Thrive, the thriving art community is kind of, is a big part of our business. Hopefully we help that.
Speaker 3 00:42:19 Well it says that on the back of the T-shirts. Yes. Cause I look at that. It's supportive, it's
Speaker 4 00:42:23 Wonderful. Yeah. It says it on the podcast cover now too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:42:25 Okay. So there it is.
Speaker 2 00:42:27 Yeah. I mean that's what this a big part of this is about. And I think that why not bigger than us, you know, bigger than the, any of the art associations. Why not have the South Shore be a like kind of a Mecca ra
Speaker 3 00:42:39 It is a Mecca. Artists
Speaker 2 00:42:40 Yeah. Art for artists, you know, I mean the Cape has got a great feel to it. We're right there. Boston's
Speaker 3 00:42:45 Got that
Speaker 2 00:42:46 Scene. We're right.
Speaker 3 00:42:47 I mean, a lot of the Cape people and the, um, people in South Shore Yeah. Are very much, you know, do things together. Like for instance, New Hampshire just had a national show. Yeah. A New Hampshire Pastel Society. And so one of the people from the Cape brought all the paintings from the Cape to my house. And then I brought all of the painting up to New Hampshire so we don't have to have a billion people driving back. Oh my. And forth. Yeah. And, you know, and a lot of us participate in Connecticut. Um, I don't know that Rhode Island has one. I haven't heard about Rhode Island having one. Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine has one. Yep. So, you know, a lot of us take part's.
Speaker 2 00:43:25 Got a good art,
Speaker 3 00:43:26 Huge art scene. Yeah. So, uh, a lot of us take part in those shows. Yep. And so we all, you know, David said it's amazing to see how you women Yeah. You know, even though we do let men work with us Yeah. <laugh>, um, how you women organize everything and get it together. And so nobody has to do too much and everybody's taking turns and everybody, you know, And I said, Well, women nurture, men compete. That's the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:43:54 Well, yeah. I mean, there's some healthy competition is good. Right.
Speaker 3 00:43:58 A healthy competition is good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:44:00 But working as a team I think is also very important.
Speaker 3 00:44:02 It is. And do that helps raise every everybody up, right? It does. It does.
Speaker 2 00:44:06 Yeah. Yes. No,
Speaker 4 00:44:07 That's awesome. That's the main thing behind this is to get everybody to be more familiar with the different artists that we have in the area. The more familiar you are, the more of a connection they have to someone, the better off they are when they go looking for their own pieces of artwork, you know? So it's a good stepping stone for that for people to get, get to know someone. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:44:23 You know? Yeah. And I think, you know, in my, my head too, like I feel like having people come on and talk about their, their art, their, you know, know their history. I think that when somebody is interested in buying artwork, like the more they know about the person, and I dunno, you saw plenty of paintings, so you, you can probably,
Speaker 3 00:44:41 I'm very blessed that way.
Speaker 2 00:44:43 Um, you can probably talk to, I mean, I don't know, when you see a painting go out, do you like to know who's buying it? Do you like to, do you care? Or
Speaker 3 00:44:52 Does it, um, Cause I feel care,
Speaker 2 00:44:54 I'm consumer. Like when I buy artwork, I kinda like to know a little bit about the, the history of the, the the person or
Speaker 3 00:45:00 I like to know it. It's not always possible. Yeah. Um, a lot of times, I mean, Open Studios is a great time for selling artwork. Yep. Sure. Um, and so people will come in and they chat with you for Yep. A while. So it's different than going into a show. I, and, and when and when we show the opening Yeah. Is usually the time when more paintings are sold than Yeah. Other times because people love to chat with the artist. Yeah. Who, and, and we love to chat with them. Yeah. And so I'm, I'm always surprised at, you know, who the people are and what they feel. And sometimes, you know, again, sometimes you know them, sometimes they're from different communities that you might know. Yeah. Um, and other times they're total strangers that come in and, you know, to a show and wanna buy a piece. Or they may go onto the websites or, um, they, you know, however it is.
Speaker 2 00:45:56 But knowing the significance of like some stuff, like, I didn't really realize the significance of the waterfalls and like that being a, you know, well
Speaker 3 00:46:04 Think of how a waterfall falls Yep. And think about how life is mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:46:07 <affirmative>. Yeah. But having a conversation with the artist, like, now you get, you know, like, now I get it now. Like, and like the significance of water and some of your pieces. Like I think, you know, you have that conversation with somebody and it kind of changes how they look at
Speaker 3 00:46:20 The artwork.
Speaker 2 00:46:21 Absolutely. Kinda
Speaker 3 00:46:22 Like, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:46:23 You know, and if you find an, I dunno, it's like anything, right? Like you have a connection with somebody and you're like, you read, like getting a piece of their artwork is kind of, you know, when do have it in your home? It's, it's more than,
Speaker 3 00:46:35 It's what I have in my house. I have the friend wall. Yeah. Yeah. So all of the,
Speaker 2 00:46:39 Who's on
Speaker 3 00:46:40 The wall? Who's on the wall? Who's on the wall? Who's on the wall? You wanna know
Speaker 2 00:46:43 <laugh>? We do. It's
Speaker 3 00:46:44 One of our s here. Well, Donna is. Yep. Lorenda is, I have two spins. I have, um, my friend Jim who has a studio out in P-Town. Yep. And um, every time I go out to P Town Yep. He sometimes slips me a little present. Yep. <laugh>. Um, if I say, Oh, I really love that. Um, Che Novi. Oh yeah. Um, and I'm trying to think of who else is on
Speaker 2 00:47:10 Che Novis is how you say it. I've always said Navit. I don't, I could some of these names like I
Speaker 3 00:47:15 Could, they're big names.
Speaker 2 00:47:16 I'm sure he gets a lot. I'm sure he gets a, you know, people, uh, several variations.
Speaker 3 00:47:20 Variation, I'm sure how it's pronounced. But, but Ed, um, and Ed's a, I adore Ed. It's just a dear friend of
Speaker 2 00:47:27 Mine. He's very talented
Speaker 3 00:47:28 Too. He's phenomenally talented. I mean, having one of his paintings in my house, David and I look at it all the time. Is the big
Speaker 2 00:47:37 One too, or?
Speaker 3 00:47:38 It's a big one. Yeah, it's a big one. It's um, I would say it's probably three by four feet. Yeah. The, he works
Speaker 2 00:47:44 Very, he works very, he works very large for, you know, cause it past all, he's actually
Speaker 3 00:47:48 Not always, he's actually switching over to oils. Okay. Um, he for the last few years has been doing both. Yep. And he found that, you know, oils are easier to transport. Yeah. Cause you're not dealing with the glass. Yeah. <laugh> and we will know about glass. Oh yeah. So, um,
Speaker 2 00:48:06 Glass isn't always cheap either.
Speaker 3 00:48:08 The glasses the more expensive than if you used good glass, which it always would.
Speaker 2 00:48:12 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:48:12 Oh yeah. Um, so he's been doing, and he had a magnificent show. It was during the Pandemic and I felt, cuz we all had to go in mask and we had to have a, an appointment time to go in to see the show for the opening, which was like, I just felt for him because he worked so hard to put this incredible show together at the Cape Cod Museum. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it was more than a show. It was an exhibit, which there's, you know, there's a different level. Yeah. You know, it's not just for sales, this is for Yeah. You know, to tell the story, tell the story. And um, you know, had the big wall with all the writing on it that you see if you go to a museum. Sure. And so, you know, going in there and then, you know, couldn't hug him, you know, was like, for Ed and I not to hug when we see each other, you know, I'm a hugger. Yep. Um, so which elbows, <laugh>, <laugh>, you know, so Yeah. Elbows. Elbows, Yeah. And masks on. And you, which is
Speaker 2 00:49:07 Really hard to get, you know, you wanna see people's
Speaker 3 00:49:10 Expression. Right. I mean, you want, when you're talking to somebody you really loved, I love to see their faces and how their faces, you know, emote. And so, uh, you know, I felt bad that it had to be happening then, but you can't help when the pandemic
Speaker 2 00:49:24 Happened. Many shows are like planned two, like
Speaker 3 00:49:27 Two, three years of advance. Yeah. And he had been working for it, but ended up fabulous. He just had a big spread in Cape Cod Magazine, like six eight H Thread. Um, really wonderful. I'll bring it in for you if you wanna see. Yeah, definitely would love to see that. And um, so, you know, this just these wonderful artists that are here. Yep. Uh, and I find that we work together well.
Speaker 2 00:49:52 Yep.
Speaker 3 00:49:53 Which is the nice thing cuz it doesn't always happen at all. Yep. You know, sometimes it could be cutthroat competitive Yeah. Amongst certain, But the people here just sort of like love each other. Yep. And you know, it's, it's very much like being in the sixties and love fest. Yeah. Um, where we're all partying and you know, so on and so forth. And, and just enjoying each other's company and being creative. Yeah. Yep. So,
Speaker 2 00:50:21 Well, that's awesome. So one of the things that we always like to, we like to wrap up with is asking people about what some of their favorite pieces are at their house. I know you got, Yeah. I'm assuming Eds might be
Speaker 3 00:50:32 One. Eds is one of my absolute favorites. And, and the big farm painting. I still absolutely love that painting. And you were there at the Millennium, um, New Year's Eve party at my house, and there's still a couple of spots of <laugh> that I can't reach to clean a, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:50:52 Yep, Yep. So those two are
Speaker 3 00:50:54 Favorites. Those two are very much my favorite. Donna's also Maureen's, of course.
Speaker 2 00:50:58 Now, do you guys work out trades or do you, uh,
Speaker 3 00:51:02 You um,
Speaker 2 00:51:03 You buy and support from their shows?
Speaker 3 00:51:06 Both. Both. Both. You know, some people are, you know, I've got so many paintings in my back. You're like, One day I walked into Donna's house and she said, Rita, pick a painting. Yeah. You know, and you know, she has a painting of mine in her house. Yeah. So, uh, but she insisted on buying it. And I said, I'm gonna pay for this painting if you're, you know, if you're insists on PA for that. But it was sold through North River, so she also was in a report North River and, you
Speaker 2 00:51:32 Know. Yeah. I mean, that's a good part of it too, right? Like, you get even that small cut for the art associations, they need all the help. It's not that
Speaker 3 00:51:40 <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:51:43 Well, even though they, you know, they've gotta figure that into
Speaker 3 00:51:46 The's all it is. You do. And you also have to figure into the price about, you know, we're selling in an area, you know, where people have a set income. Yeah. Especially right now. And so, especially right now. And so you wanna make the pieces affordable enough so they can be bought. Yep. So for those people who are North River, I know has one Coha, it has one just before Christmas time. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they have like art in the barn. Yeah. Oh yeah. You know, And so, um, or at Open Studios, I usually have a sales section to paintings that have been around for a while that I'm probably not gonna show anymore, but that are on sale. Yeah. You
Speaker 2 00:52:26 Talked to Jody about that too. Like, we're touching on the fact that people should, you know, that's a good way to like, jump into like buying, you know,
Speaker 3 00:52:34 Buying buy, buy, buying
Speaker 2 00:52:35 Original
Speaker 3 00:52:35 Yale art, P original art. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:52:38 It's not a huge financial commitment.
Speaker 3 00:52:40 Right. You could take a chance. You could take a chance to. Yeah. And one of the, I mean, years ago there was a young man when I had my studio in Boston, way back when I was doing those huge paintings. And he walked into the studio and he said, I love that. And he asked me the price and I told him, and he said, That would be the same price as a framed print would be if I went into a gallery. I said, Pretty much. Yep. And he said, I'm buying real art. And I, and you know, and sometimes we've put up signs buy from the artist while they're still alive. Please. While who's still alive. It's an investment <laugh>. It is. We're gonna die someday. So <laugh>. So, um, and then I'll draw that picture. Yeah. But, Oh, there you go. <laugh>. But you wanna, you know, you wanna support the arts. Yeah. You know, a a lot of times right now the schools have sort of cut back on the art programs and the schools and so music,
Speaker 4 00:53:29 Art,
Speaker 3 00:53:30 Music,
Speaker 4 00:53:30 Art, first ones to go for some reason.
Speaker 2 00:53:32 Yeah. And, and it's, it's a shame. It's a shame some of the, you know, the sports don't seem to have any lack of funding that, you know, and, you know, a lot of that has to do with that's what people, you
Speaker 4 00:53:42 Know, wanna go see,
Speaker 2 00:53:43 See, want donating to,
Speaker 3 00:53:45 You know, Art teaches you critical thinking and Absolutely. It's teaching you critical thinking. Yep. That's what we need to learn. Yeah. That's what, you know, we all need to open our minds a little bit and think a little more critically about what's going on. Yep. And so, you know, doing art, teaching children art really allows them to start to see the world slightly differently.
Speaker 2 00:54:07 Yeah. And, and gives 'em an opportunity to express themselves Yeah. And figure out how to do that. Um, you know. Yeah. No, that's a, you know, one of the reasons why we try, you know, would, you know, we have boxes set up for the, our teachers like to, you know, have have stuff. I mean the funding for seems
Speaker 3 00:54:25 To get, you know, the North River does this great kid show the elementary schools?
Speaker 2 00:54:29 Yep. We've turned everyone here with Hanover Schools for
Speaker 3 00:54:32 Right. Remember that? And South Shore Art Center does the high school does a high school thing. Yeah. Um, and so there are these great shows and when you look at the art that the kids do,
Speaker 4 00:54:44 Wow. Yeah. And seeing them go from the different grades too. Like we've had 'em, cuz we've been having them for so long, I've seen the ones like in the fifth and sixth grade now that are seniors. Yeah. You know, like their progression of work
Speaker 3 00:54:55 And their progression of their work and, and you know, and then, you
Speaker 4 00:54:58 Know, and you see it in a professional capacity. Framed on a wall.
Speaker 3 00:55:01 Framed on a wall. Being, being there is like, you know,
Speaker 4 00:55:04 And it's much different than wonderful in some tech in the, you know, school hallway, in
Speaker 3 00:55:08 The hall hallway, in hallway, in
Speaker 4 00:55:09 The glass cabinet. Yeah. <laugh>, it's a whole different feel than, you know, parents night coming to, you know, having their stuff set up somewhere different other than the
Speaker 3 00:55:16 School is. And it gives them the incentive. Cause once you see your stuff framed, hanging on a wall. Yep. Yeah. Then you say, Okay, now this is real. This is not, you know, this is not just, I'm doing this as a little kid. And Yeah. And you know, the, the one thing that, you know, going back to the mediumship for a second, I always use the thing of teaching art. Yep. As because an artist use a medium. Yep. They use what kind of media do they use? Yeah. Right. And the first painting teacher I worked with under the blurb for him, he said, Let the painting tell you what it was. Yep. Instead of you trying to copy the photograph Yeah. And saying Wow it looks exactly like the photograph. Yeah. Um, to let the painting tell you what it wants to be. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I was a wonderful thing.
Speaker 3 00:56:09 Um, so I tell my mediumship students that studying mediumship is very much like doing art. You let it come through and you let it come out. Yeah. You know, and so I let it come through me for the mediumship and it comes out my mouth or if I'm drawing and when I'm painting, I let it come through me. And you know, as I said last week I was downloaded on all these different new techniques. Yep. And I was called Donna immediately and I said, Donna, does this ever happen to you? Where you got down? She says, Nobody ever downloaded me <laugh>. So
Speaker 4 00:56:39 Still running on the old
Speaker 3 00:56:41 Software <laugh>. But you know, all of a sudden they were showing me a whole different way to work. Yep. And so I came to my studio the next day, brushed off that painting and said, It can't be done this way. It has to be done this way. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> nice. So it's like, and that's where again you trust what you're getting Uhhuh.
Speaker 4 00:56:58 Yep. You trust. Yep.
Speaker 3 00:56:59 And that's put it in the painting, put it in the mediumship. Yeah. Yes,
Speaker 4 00:57:03 Both. Oh. I play around with so many different things. It helped working at a craft store for so many years. I get to play with so many different things all the
Speaker 3 00:57:08 Time. Oh wow.
Speaker 4 00:57:09 Yeah. Um, you know, whenever a new product would come in, they'd have me go home and play with it and test it around. So when people came in to ask about it, I actually know what it did. You know, that kind of stuff. So I got used to playing around with all kinds of different
Speaker 3 00:57:18 Things. Well that's great cuz so many times you go into a craft store and nobody's there to even help you to list to They're
Speaker 4 00:57:25 Very true. Exactly. You
Speaker 3 00:57:26 Just buy it online. You just buy it online. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:57:28 And that's become a big thing is I, I am also part of a, a pink group on online where we all share, you know, pictures and just things that we've done just to kind of get out and then everybody gets inspired from different colors and shapes and patterns and this person does it with a spinner. This person does it with a hair dryer and anything. So I've played around with a lot of different techniques for that lately too. And that's changed a lot of how I have started
Speaker 3 00:57:49 Painting as it would, as it would, you know and as it should. Yes. You know. So I would say those techniques or whatever were brought to you or put in front of your face or made you, you know, play with it for a while so you could then put it into
Speaker 4 00:58:04 Your work. Oh yeah. My palette's always explain, you know, is how I feel, how the mood is, what music I listen to, whatever happened in the week, you know, that always affects whatever my, my color palette is for there.
Speaker 3 00:58:13 It
Speaker 4 00:58:13 Definitely would cause for my abstracts, it's not as, I used to do watercolors. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, when I was 10 I lost my dad. So Saturdays I used to go and actually run and Sharon break were just in here the other day buying supplies from us to, to frame some of their paintings. So, uh, but a seaside gallery in Abington, I used to go there and you know, it was great cuz they had, you know, from kids like, you know, 9, 8, 9, 10, you know, all the way up to like teenagers and you know, I driving here myself in high school and yeah, they would all work together in the older kids would help the younger kids. And it was great, you know, setup. It wasn't like, Oh, I'm better than you. I'm better. They would all play around with different things. We'd have different music playing, we'd have different setups. Everybody would work on everything else. And it was one of the better times I remember growing up. And I still have a lot of that work that I had growing up, you know, in different portfolios and some frame stuff up on the wall that I, I reframe every once in a while just to change, keep it up to date and make it look that way. But, um, it is, it does make a difference happen. It
Speaker 3 00:59:11 Isn't a fun looking back at your
Speaker 4 00:59:13 Old work. Oh God, yeah. I drive by and I, I drive, It was funny cuz it was only two houses over from my grandparents. Yeah. So when I classes were done, I would just go to my grandparents' house afterwards until my, my mom could pick me up. Cuz that was my Saturday afternoons and now it's like my uncle owns the house so I go by there all the time mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I still see it and it's, you can't miss it. It's this big bright yellow house with sharks and all kinds of other sea left and stuff painted across all front of it so you can't miss it. I think
Speaker 3 00:59:37 I've seen it. Yeah. It's,
Speaker 4 00:59:38 It's a pretty unique looking
Speaker 3 00:59:40 House. It's very familiar.
Speaker 4 00:59:40 It is. It's definitely something you'd remember if you drove by it. But it, it's so funny, like just driving by it triggers those, you know, those old memories and things. So art can do the same thing. Absolutely. Having piece of art you bought from a, a person you met at an open studio or at a gallery showing or something along those lines. Which is why the gallery up here has been great too cuz it's been getting more people to come in and see even our just everyday customers that come up to look at all our stuff that we have ready to go. They have to walk through the gallery first to see it and it's nice to just, you know, each month, month and a half just in, you know, introducing them to new pieces and new new techniques and new different things
Speaker 3 01:00:16 And different ways to look at the world. Yep. You know? Exactly. Because that to me is again, one of the most important things in doing art is that it's some so many different perspectives.
Speaker 2 01:00:26 Well it's important, right? Yeah. I mean, you don't want to be close-minded. You
Speaker 3 01:00:30 Wanna deal. I definitely don't <laugh>. I mean my has
Speaker 4 01:00:33 Trouble
Speaker 3 01:00:33 A lot of you <laugh>. I
Speaker 2 01:00:35 Mean, you know, I mean innovation, everything comes from being open mind and like seeing new stuff and
Speaker 3 01:00:40 Seeing new stuff being inspired. I mean, artists get inspired by looking at other artists' work.
Speaker 4 01:00:44 Oh. That's why the pandemic was so terrible for so long. Oh,
Speaker 3 01:00:47 I know.
Speaker 4 01:00:47 They were all closed off to the where,
Speaker 3 01:00:49 Where I know and you know, it's everything.
Speaker 4 01:00:50 I was still staring at the same wall.
Speaker 3 01:00:51 Everything, everything stopped. I mean there was, when I first started painting with the group of women and you know, in South Shore and it would come say that we had a lot of blizzards back. Oh, true. Like, you know, um, 2012, 2013. And, um, we would, uh, text each other what we were working on. Yeah. So we could say, Okay, have any critiques now because we would critique each other mm-hmm. <affirmative> when we work together. So, you know, do you have anything you wanna say about this? What do you think about this? You know, so on and so forth. I'm stuck, this is just not working for me. What do I need to do? Yeah. And so, and we would do that back and forth and it became a thing. I think that's what inspired us getting together. Yep. You know, at Donna's house. Yep. Because we were doing that kind of thing where we were just allowing each other to see Yeah. What we doing while we were
Speaker 4 01:01:45 Painting thing, imagery, online, seminar, anything along those lines are great. Yeah. But being in person, in a group, being
Speaker 3 01:01:50 In person is the
Speaker 4 01:01:51 Best energy you feel off of everybody else. Definitely changes how you stop works. Changes it. Totally. I definitely agree. Working at group
Speaker 2 01:01:57 Activity, when you see, when you're seeing pieces in person opposed to through a screen, do you feel it? Does it feel different to you? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 3 01:02:04 Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you feel the energy of the piece. Yeah. You know, you could, you could it it's like a print versus the paint. Yeah. You know, um, when you can feel the energy of the piece, when you can feel the emotion of the piece.
Speaker 2 01:02:18 We're gonna go to a museum together.
Speaker 3 01:02:20 I think that would be a lot of fun. I think that would be a great thing
Speaker 2 01:02:23 To, a trip, trip to the
Speaker 3 01:02:24 MFA Might be be an order, might buy a lunch
Speaker 2 01:02:26 Because that would be a fun experience. Okay. To see to, to look at some like, some like real master works.
Speaker 3 01:02:33 And it's incredible. I, you know, you go, you go through and you look at some of say a Turner painting.
Speaker 2 01:02:38 Yeah. I, slave ship was one. I used to slave ship all the time. I, I used to sit because I lived around the corner, uh, from the mfa, uh, when I was younger. Yep. And I used to go over there. That's when I first like got into painting a little bit. Yep. I'd gotten into painting a little bit before and then I moved in. I was taking classes at the museum school. Yep. But that one I used, like that one just is
Speaker 3 01:03:02 So you visit the painting, it's Yeah. And, and I used to have one at the MFA when I was studying and in, you know, when I was a kid in New York and I was going to Pratt, we used to have subclasses at the MFA and there were certain paintings that I used to go to visit. Yep. Turner was one of them with, there's a, it's a storm painting, I think it's called Thunderstorm. Yeah. Um, but it's a storm painting. And then, um, Greco, um, last supper.
Speaker 2 01:03:33 Okay.
Speaker 3 01:03:34 It's hard for Jewish girls to say
Speaker 2 01:03:36 <laugh>,
Speaker 3 01:03:38 But it's a last supper. And the expressions on the faces that he was able to get and you feel these people, you know who they are when you look at those, those faces. And it was, it's, it's one of my favorite paintings. Yeah. And when we went back to New York the last time, they had replaced them.
Speaker 2 01:04:00 Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 01:04:00 Reoriented them, rearrange the, the, um, the galleries and I had to find some, Okay. I need to see these two paintings. You need to tell me where they are because I came here to see these two paintings. Yeah, that's true. They're my friends. Yeah. And and you do
Speaker 2 01:04:12 Feel that
Speaker 3 01:04:13 Way? No. No. But you feel that way about certain pieces of art that you absolutely love. Yeah,
Speaker 2 01:04:18 Yeah, yeah. No, you do. And like I have a few at my house. I get one of, uh, do you know Ross Bar Bush? Yes. Like I bought one, I have one of her pieces, you know, You know, and it's like just a, it's one of my, it's, I'd say it's gotta be one of my favorites, favorite pieces of it. Yeah. And I see, you know, and I just feel like a, you know, like a super connection to that one. And this place I feel bad actually cuz it's outside of my daughter's room, so she gets to see it all the time. So
Speaker 3 01:04:46 Subconsciously
Speaker 2 01:04:47 <laugh> my, I gotta move it on to the other one
Speaker 3 01:04:50 My son sees. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:04:51 But, you know. Oh, true. Yeah. But like the connection to some of the, the artwork I have in my house, like, you know, you just want to like, you know.
Speaker 3 01:04:58 Yeah. I mean when I do, when I do my exercises in the living room Yep. Um, in my house now, that big farmer painting as you referred to it. Yep. It's, and the painters cult, we worked so hard. Yeah. Um, but cuz they were migrant farmers. Yeah. They were not, um, you know, gentlemen farmers. Yeah. <laugh>. And so, um, so that painting, I look at his face and I talk
Speaker 2 01:05:22 To him Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:05:24 And I can feel him talking back to me now. Maybe I'm crazy, but I can feel him talking back to me. Yeah. And so there's this ongoing connection mm-hmm. <affirmative> that I feel with this man Yep. That's been hanging in my living room and I must have painted that painting in the late eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:05:43 I'm trying to think of what I
Speaker 3 01:05:44 You,
Speaker 2 01:05:45 I, it was probably late eighties is probably like, I graduated in 95. Right.
Speaker 3 01:05:50 Eighties was always there. So late eighties already at my house. Just put it up the day before somebody wanted to buy it at one point. And I said, you know, and then they said, I wanna take it home to see how it'll look in my living room. I said, it's five by six feet. You know, it's like, Oh my gosh, <laugh>, are you gonna take it home and you know, just
Speaker 4 01:06:08 Start in the back
Speaker 3 01:06:09 Of the car. I said, Why don't you take a picture of it and then come back to the studio? And of course open studios, sometimes people come back, sometimes they don't. Um, but I was happy to be able to keep that one for me. Yeah. Cuz that is one of my favorite
Speaker 2 01:06:21 Pieces. Yeah. I, Well and I think at a certain point when you've lived around it for so long Right. You
Speaker 3 01:06:26 Can't can't, how can you now I now I wouldn't part with it forever, but then when I was a starving young artist. Yeah. Oh sure. You know? Yeah. And I, I used to tell some of the spiritual people stop calling us starving young artists. That's putting that thought out there that we're gonna be starving. Yeah. So please let's call us artists about starving artists. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:06:46 We wanna support
Speaker 3 01:06:46 Our, we wanna support the artists.
Speaker 2 01:06:48 That's awesome. I think we, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm excited about it. I'm gonna follow through with this. I think I'd like to get to the museum with you and have you, you know, You got it. Have that conversa. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:06:58 Last time I was there was college. So
Speaker 2 01:07:01 See in some of the, uh
Speaker 3 01:07:02 Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. You gotta go. I mean I tried to get in a few times a year.
Speaker 4 01:07:06 My oldest I could probably take with me now and he would appreciate it more so than like I always did when I was a kid growing up in the school field trips and you're always like,
Speaker 3 01:07:13 Okay saying this was this, we're
Speaker 4 01:07:16 Gonna go this room by this time. And you be, and
Speaker 3 01:07:18 It's like, you gotta be back on bus by two 30. Exactly.
Speaker 4 01:07:20 Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:07:20 No, but you, when I was there, like I would go, like you said the visiting, like there'd be one, I'd just want to see that, that
Speaker 3 01:07:27 Part I wanna go back to see that particular
Speaker 2 01:07:29 Painting piece and just, you know, cuz when I painted I felt like, you know, seeing certain art help inspire me. Um, you know, classes were always, I mean, classes are good cuz they always make you Yeah. You gotta do something for the class.
Speaker 3 01:07:41 Right. You have to do it for the class. And if it's a good teacher, they're making you think Yes. They're making you go that much further. They're making you, you know, go into your gut Yep. And say, Okay, what about this image? Yep. Who's ev you know, whatever the image is. What about this image portrays me? Yep. In that, when I started doing the big portraits, which you remember, um, there were people that said to me, There's always a little of you in every one of those portraits Yeah. As you getto. Uh, one of the very first ones that I did was, uh, um, an African American woman standing. She was wearing one of those T-shirts and they used to fringe the top of the sleeves. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So she was wearing that and she had like a waves in her hair. And I said, somebody says, those are the same waves that you have. Maybe that's why I liked her, but <laugh>. But you know, I painted her stand in front of this red van. Yep. And you know, it was a painting that I really loved and, um, you would just get inspired by certain things. But you are in the painting too. Yep.
Speaker 3 01:08:50 You were not separate from it. Yeah. If you are separate from it, it's not gonna be a very good painted. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:08:56 Awesome. Well I think, uh, it's been a fantastic having.
Speaker 4 01:09:00 It has, It has been a great interview. I didn't even realize it's been an hour and 10 minutes already.
Speaker 3 01:09:03 Okay. So, So we did our up.
Speaker 2 01:09:05 I think Ru is coming back from uh, I think we're gonna have, I'll
Speaker 4 01:09:09 Go part too.
Speaker 3 01:09:10 I would love, you know, you know, I do anything for you.
Speaker 2 01:09:13 Oh, I appreciate that. And you know, I mean, maybe I'm twisting people's arms to come over here and talk about <laugh>. I think that, I think that this is a, you know, been really good. I think they, I wrote down community here. Cause I think that when we have the, uh, the team cut it up and pull some clips, I want to the importance of community, um, supporting artists, supporting each other as far as like inspiration, I think is a good takeaway from this. And I think that, uh, me and Rita are gonna have to take a field trip to the, the MFA one of these days. You
Speaker 3 01:09:42 Got it.
Speaker 2 01:09:43 You got it. Yeah. And you will hold me to get back in there and see some paintings and I think that, uh, that would be a fun experience. And then maybe we can have have you back. We can talk. Yeah.
Speaker 4 01:09:53 You guys can discussion about it.
Speaker 3 01:09:54 Absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 01:09:55 Awesome. Well, uh, thank you for listening and if you want to find out more about Rita, we're gonna have some, Scott's going to, uh, work his magic. He's gonna have some links in there to her Instagram or Facebook where you can see her pieces. Um, you also have some links in there too. You're gonna have a lot of links to do. Uh, oh Yeah. Women have, uh, women of wisdom.
Speaker 4 01:10:16 Wisdom, a lot of keywords, A lot of, uh,
Speaker 2 01:10:19 In the, uh, fourth floor, uh,
Speaker 3 01:10:21 Fourth floor artist, artist studio. Yeah.
Speaker 2 01:10:23 I think we're gonna try to put something together. So if you hear, if you heard reader on this podcast and you wanna stop by and see her at
Speaker 3 01:10:30 Open Studios Open, see
Speaker 2 01:10:31 What, what's the room? Yeah,
Speaker 3 01:10:32 What's every It's 2 0 3 and it is the weekend before Thanksgiving. So it's the 19th and the 20th. Oh,
Speaker 2 01:10:38 There you go. Fantastic. So
Speaker 3 01:10:39 12 to five <laugh>,
Speaker 2 01:10:41 Hopefully.
Speaker 4 01:10:42 So you don't have to get up super early. You can,
Speaker 3 01:10:44 Yeah. We, we, artists sometimes like to sleep in a little
Speaker 2 01:10:47 Bit, you know. Awesome. Well it's been a pleasure. No, you're gonna, we're gonna keep you here for a little while so you don't
Speaker 3 01:10:52 Have to walk on I know. I I just like looked at the, out the window for the first time. It is really coming down out there.
Speaker 2 01:10:59 That's that water you were talking about. There
Speaker 3 01:11:00 You go. We made it. We're let's we wiled in the earth. Awesome. Okay.
Speaker 2 01:11:06 Well it's been a pleasure, Rita.
Speaker 3 01:11:07 You, I'm
Speaker 2 01:11:08 Looking forward to the next one already.
Speaker 3 01:11:09 Okay.
Speaker 2 01:11:10 Scott, you wanna take us out?
Speaker 4 01:11:11 Thanks everybody for listening and we'll catch you next time.
Speaker 1 01:11:14 All right. See
Speaker 0 01:11:15 Ya.
