Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:03 The
Speaker 2 00:00:23 All right, welcome to the frame center podcast. Uh, I'm Dave and I got Scott with me and today we have Karen cast joining us. Uh, we're gonna, you know, talk a little bit about Karen's, uh, artwork talk a little bit about, uh, maybe Hanover days. Mm-hmm <affirmative> wonderful Warren,
Speaker 3 00:00:40 All the projects she's done with us here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:00:43 So, uh, you know, thank well one, thanks for coming in, Karen. Thanks for sitting down and talking with us. I thought, uh, you know, when we finished that whole project with Warren, um, I thought that this would be a great, you know, great conversation to have, um, cuz you know, the ties I thought were pretty, uh, pretty interesting. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, so that was a fun experience for you. I,
Speaker 3 00:01:03 What is this project for Warren?
Speaker 2 00:01:05 Oh, I mean obviously, you know, Warren, Warren might be,
Speaker 3 00:01:07 I know though, but our listeners do not. So what, what was this project and what did it involve?
Speaker 4 00:01:12 The famous Warren. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:14 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:01:15 Long time customer of the frame center. Oh yeah. A very loyal, um, frequent visitor here. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:22 Oh yeah. Warrants here all the time. <laugh> he's a regular Saturday guy.
Speaker 4 00:01:26 Well, I guess that's um, part of the beauty of this place is that once you come, you come back again and again, and you build a trust, you've created a sense of community, especially for, um, you clients and for artists. Um, I started coming here 20 years ago. Yeah. Um, I don't know if you even know that, but like moving to this town mm-hmm <affirmative> um, as an artist, you have to create your community. You have to find a photographer, you have to find a framer. And, and I started coming here that long ago. Seems so it's it says a lot about
Speaker 2 00:02:01 Like, it seems like a long time, but these like years are like, you know, going
Speaker 4 00:02:04 Back
Speaker 2 00:02:05 Very fast, quickly. Like I feel like, you know, Paul, we were talking to dad, I feel like he retired like two years ago and he is like it's eight years, years. Yeah. It's like a blink of an eye. Yep.
Speaker 3 00:02:14 I've been here over seven now. So it's like, doesn't feel that long, you know? Right. But,
Speaker 4 00:02:18 But
Speaker 3 00:02:19 It's a good thing though. I guess, you know, doesn't feel OUS to
Speaker 4 00:02:22 Be here. No, it's a great place and it's, it's, it's, it's a place that I've come to just be very comfortable coming here. Know you guys will do great work for me. And um, and I think that's why people keep coming back and that's um, you know, a Testament to you guys as, uh, professionals, but also as friends and supporters of artists.
Speaker 2 00:02:41 Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's what we're, that's one of the things we're trying to do, we're trying to do that even more. And I think that, you know, this whole venue as well, like the podcast mm-hmm <affirmative> I think that that'll give even more opportunity for, you know, people cuz we have, you know, many different types of customers. Mm-hmm <affirmative> we have artist customers, we have collectors, we, you know, just, you know, everyday people that don't even think that much about art mm-hmm <affirmative> like, you know, having, uh, some sort of source to like connect them also, I think is a great, uh, you know, a great thing that we can do, you know, absolutely show people, you know, showcasing stuff upstairs with like, you know, handover days with different art shows like Sean's and uh, your
Speaker 3 00:03:21 Own show that was up here <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:03:22 Yeah. Well I, and I think that's why, um, you know, I wanted to go back to that word. You just said making connections, um, that's how Warren and I got together. Yeah. Is that, um, I was given an opportunity here to have a show. Yeah. And he happens to be a customer and came back again and again and saw the work and felt something, a connection to that. And um, and you guys encouraged him to get in touch with me. So <laugh> that, that actually this project that I did for him would never have happened. Had I not done a show here. So that was a pretty awesome thing. And um, that gave me the chance to meet someone, um, who was serious about, you know, hiring an artist to do a, a very specific project for a very, um, specific space. Yep. Um, his building in Boston has a, a very unique history and, um, it was really such a great opportunity to go in there, check out the space, um, feel it out, get, um, a sense from him what the history of the building was, what his, um, feelings were about it.
Speaker 4 00:04:38 Um, and that gave me an opportunity to start really thinking about what I could do. And it was a very specific project mm-hmm <affirmative> that had to do with, um, his, um, personal history, his business, um, his organizations. So he, um, represents the international ladies garment, uh, workers, union, and, um,
Speaker 2 00:05:02 Yeah, the connection was,
Speaker 4 00:05:03 And it's phenomenal because, um, how
Speaker 2 00:05:06 Far along
Speaker 4 00:05:06 Convers with him, you know, did you realize just, almost immediately having those conversations with him that very first time that I went into his building and he started telling me about the building and all of the work that was done there. Yeah. Um, you know, immediately struck a chord saying, okay, well I have a family history. Um, my, first of all, my mother's, um, relatives came over from Italy. Mm-hmm <affirmative> Warren pep. Ali <laugh> yeah. Um, Italian immigrant. Yeah. Um, my mother's mother, um, came over from Italy and was a sewer, uh, Stitcher mm-hmm <affirmative> all of her cousins were worked in the garment district in New York. And so I was telling Lauren all these things, as we were just meeting each other, we were having those, they were already happening those connections. And so that was kind of a cool first conversation. Yep. And, uh, and then, um, shared with him that my daughter is also, um, following in that, um, path as a fashion designer.
Speaker 4 00:06:06 Oh, nice. She's um, going into her senior year at Parsons. Oh, she's in New York. So, um, she's a fashion designer and, um, has been sewing since she was seven years old. Oh, that's funny. Another handover connection is that she started sewing right here in Hanover at the, um, sewing studio right up the street. Yeah. My daughters are east, well, I gotta take some classes over there. It's it's awesome. And those two ladies really encouraged her and that was her first introduction to sewing my mom, you know, had that in her blood, um, and has always been a sower. Right. And so I always felt that like, this was kind of a lost art yep. And wanted my, um, my daughter to learn. Mm-hmm <affirmative> just to have something unique that she liked to do. So that's been in our history and so it kind of fed into some of the ideas that I had for how I was gonna make the artwork. Yeah. And, um, so as I was driving home that day, I was thinking, oh my gosh, like, this is gonna be really fun. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, I'm gonna, um, incorporate some of these little connections that we have and
Speaker 2 00:07:11 Cause your work has a lot of collage and a lot like, you know, dimension to you've you're familiar with
Speaker 4 00:07:16 Oh yes. So, so I started, you know, thinking about, you know, what I have at home and what kinds of things I wanna include in these things. And some of it was, you know, personal history, some of it was connected to Warren and his interests. Yes. Um, his interests in his neighborhood being in Chinatown mm-hmm <affirmative>, um, the building itself. Sure. And his love of that community. And, um, and his also his spiritual life, I
Speaker 3 00:07:42 Was gonna say he's a very deeply spiritual person, exactly. A lot of connections to nature and a lot of, you know, just, which definitely comes out in your artwork. So, you
Speaker 4 00:07:48 Know, and so I knew that there was gonna be some kind of, um, reference to nature. Um, but as I started thinking about it more and more, I wanted to incorporate this, um, notion of the hands on the materials. Mm-hmm, <affirmative> the, um, connection to, to Chinatown the connection to Warren's interests. And so I started to think about what kinds of materials I would include. So I was using maps and fabrics and, um, I rated my daughter's um, yeah. Studio space. Some of your papers there, um, took, uh, took some of her fabrics and, um, you just wanted
Speaker 3 00:08:28 Her to be a part of
Speaker 4 00:08:29 It. That's all exactly. We took some of her old drawings. Um, oh, that's cool. Yeah. She had, we had done a lot of work, um, in some of my, uh, private lessons and summer camps. We did a lot of, um, ink drawings. Okay. And so we had done some drawings with, um, bamboo brushes and things like that. So there's a lot of stuff lying around that. I started weeding through mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and I also took some of her old clothing, clothing patterns, and those are, um, like very, um, fine tissue mm-hmm
Speaker 3 00:09:00 <affirmative> the Browns printing on it. Exactly. Yeah. My mother used to do a lot of sewing, so yeah.
Speaker 4 00:09:03 And, um, and then I went to an Asian market and bought, um, some Joss paper, which is a really decorative, uh, incense paper that, um, it's kind of ceremonial mm-hmm <affirmative>. So they used that paper, um, in certain, um, festivals and different, um, services that they do to, um, offer up. So they burn the paper. Oh. And the releases, this paper is beautifully mm-hmm <affirmative>, uh, decorated. So I used a lot of that in the collage too. So building the, the foundation of the paintings was mostly collage materials. Mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:09:37 <affirmative> so, and when you sit, when you start a project like that, now hopefully we'll flash some of the, uh, you know, the paintings. Cause we got some pictures of it, them also. But, uh, um, like when you're planning that out, I mean, how much, like, how much is in like, just like spur of the moment and how, but is a lot of it just like very well planned out.
Speaker 4 00:09:58 It's not actually, I mean, I think that I, I try to deny this, but I think that I already have the images kind of finished in my head. Yeah. But then when I actually go to make them yeah. Kind of it's very, um, it's very much like a conversation it's like, you can't, you can't plan it. Mm-hmm <affirmative> you have to respond to, what's been placed and I try to just let myself be mm-hmm <affirmative> loose, go with the flow lay stuff down and really just kind of let the materials kind of fall where they may there's a lot of chance involved. Yep. Um, I like to try to build the surface first with just big shapes. Yeah. Large areas. And then, um, because I, I was talking a little bit about this when I was doing my presentation at the, um, building yep. About how intimidating a white surface can be. Yeah. And so a lot of times I'll just put paint on the surface just to kind of like, just
Speaker 3 00:10:57 Get that started first moment.
Speaker 4 00:10:58 Just jump over that hurdle. Just rip the bandaid off. I
Speaker 3 00:11:02 Know a lot of people will do that. They'll just hit, splash your color just so it's not a blank canvas anymore.
Speaker 4 00:11:06 Exactly. And that just kind of jump starts the whole process mm-hmm <affirmative> so whether it's putting paint on or laying a big piece of fabric down that gets me started and then it kind of starts the conversation and then it's kind of a back and forth process.
Speaker 2 00:11:20 Yeah. You, you have to sort what gets put down like dimensional too, and like the pain you should do, like a time lapse of yourself.
Speaker 4 00:11:26 I have. Right. Actually I did, um, some, um, of like the process, um, time lapse, videos of my process. Um, I actually laid all the white panels down on the floor and took a picture first <laugh> yeah. And then like one at a time just showed like the beginning process. Yeah. And then some of them I, um, recorded while I was in the, um, kind of the mode of getting the paint on there. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so at different points throughout the process, I would record, um, parts of that snippet
Speaker 3 00:11:59 Tears there. Exactly. Exactly. I said sometimes the camera equipment does get in the way when you're trying to do it. Like I,
Speaker 4 00:12:03 For sure. Or I get in the way of the camera, right. Like
Speaker 3 00:12:06 You're trying to like sidestep and not brush it and you move it anyway and
Speaker 4 00:12:09 Then it kind of hinders your, um, just your freedom of movements. It does
Speaker 3 00:12:13 Mess
Speaker 4 00:12:13 With the flow. So yeah. I have to kind of choose my battles on that. Yeah. On that part.
Speaker 2 00:12:18 Just I think it would just be cool to see just cuz like there's so many different, there's different colors, mm-hmm different textures like
Speaker 4 00:12:24 Yeah. And it's interesting. I think too, because I think as an artist, you go through the process of um, going too far <laugh> yeah. So it's good to kind of go back to see oh, where, where did that thing go? That I, that I put down it's covered in paint now mm-hmm <affirmative> to see the history of those layers being put down is kind of a cool thing for me to go back to. Yeah. So I also take photographs in process. Yeah. So I'll take a picture and then when I destroy it, yeah. I can go back and say, oh, well what did I do there wrong?
Speaker 3 00:12:58 And I'm sure the process is completely different too, when it's your own piece. And you're trying to get something out of your mind onto the canvas versus a commissioned piece where right. Somebody has a general idea of what they may want already and you kind of kind of stay within a constraint versus being just free to do wherever you want to go. Yeah. So was that like more constraining on this one? Or was Warren pretty open for like
Speaker 4 00:13:17 He had no idea what I was gonna do <laugh> he had and I, well, I shared with him some of my ideas. Sure. So when I first met him, I actually brought a couple of the paintings that were in the show. Oh, okay. Just to see size wise, what would work. Right. And then when I was in the space and then when I had talked to him, I'm like, these sizes will work <laugh> but the paintings have to be much more specific mm-hmm <affirmative> to the personal connection I was making and the stories that we're being told. Yeah. It's like, okay, we have to start from scratch. Um, so that part of it, we talked about like what would fit in the space mm-hmm
Speaker 3 00:13:59 <affirmative>
Speaker 4 00:13:59 And
Speaker 3 00:14:00 Cause this was the full open lobby area, right? Yes. Yeah. So it's large
Speaker 4 00:14:03 Area. It's not like it's no, I, I sort of mapped out and did some measuring and things like that. And I, we, we talked as a group, so he, and a couple of the people that he works with mm-hmm <affirmative> um, went over like what the space can handle and
Speaker 3 00:14:17 Yeah. Without feeling
Speaker 4 00:14:18 Shape. Yeah. But other than that, he didn't really specify what he wanted. So that was kind of cool. Cuz I had really free reign, um, within reason. Well sure. Yeah. And then once I started kind of processing my ideas, I, I ran some ideas by him mm-hmm <affirmative> and he got really excited.
Speaker 3 00:14:38 Yeah. Warned and
Speaker 4 00:14:39 That's and that's where we kind of said, okay. And so, because he has this, um, amazing custom made, um, bamboo wall mm-hmm <affirmative> in the lobby that's opposite where the artwork is. Yeah. Now mm-hmm <affirmative> um, I wanted to incorporate the idea of bamboo. Yeah. Because I, I also feel like it's very symbolic and it really connects with him definitely. And his spirituality and the, the symbolism of it being, um, uh, of strength and longevity and you know, kind of putting down lasting roots. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and that community connection too. Um, that's where the, the bamboo came into play and I
Speaker 3 00:15:16 That's the idea for
Speaker 4 00:15:17 This is where I need to go with this. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, it's funny because I had actually, we, my husband and I planted bamboo in our yard, so we, we discovered the pluses and minuses of, of bamboo and how it can really like lay down roots and invade.
Speaker 3 00:15:35 Oh you mean like take over an entire,
Speaker 4 00:15:36 They call it invasive, but we think it's kind of a beautiful thing. Yeah. But so you have to actually create like a barrier,
Speaker 3 00:15:42 A barrier on it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:15:43 Um, but otherwise
Speaker 3 00:15:45 You'll have a forest in your backyard before, you know, it,
Speaker 4 00:15:47 We do have a bamboo growth. Yeah,
Speaker 3 00:15:48 Exactly.
Speaker 4 00:15:50 But the beauty of that,
Speaker 5 00:15:51 Does it take a while, like
Speaker 4 00:15:52 It's,
Speaker 5 00:15:52 It does take it's like, it's like, isn't it
Speaker 4 00:15:54 Like to establish
Speaker 5 00:15:55 Then all of a
Speaker 4 00:15:56 Sudden it just like, and then it
Speaker 3 00:15:57 Goes overnight, it'll be like, you know?
Speaker 4 00:15:59 Right. So I wanted, uh, the bamboo to be symbolic of like putting down roots. Yeah. So there's a lot of reference to like what's under the ground. Yeah. So there's these kind of linear and um, root, like drawn images. Mm-hmm <affirmative> in the paintings as well. Um, that kind of give that feeling of like, um, really embedding the anchoring,
Speaker 3 00:16:26 The crown yeah. Just kinda
Speaker 4 00:16:27 Holding on and then, and then sending out shoots mm-hmm <affirmative> and kind of like that. I feel like that's very symbolic.
Speaker 3 00:16:34 Yeah. It's definitely, especially with Warren with all his connections, he makes exactly it's like his space and then his root system before he branches out to all the different people for sure. You know? Um,
Speaker 4 00:16:43 And it, that, that had to be a part of it too. Yeah. Felt like that was really important. And we, I included, um, maps and I, I showed him a lot of the, um, parts that I was including mm-hmm <affirmative> so, um, and I exposed some of the parts of the map. So especially the, the Chinatown area mm-hmm <affirmative> and some places that are significant to me and to, um, places that mean a lot. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, and, um, also including, uh, in the, um, materials, um, the logo for his union. Sure. Mm-hmm <affirmative> keeping that in mind that no, that is right. I wanted that to, to be a prominent feature. Mm-hmm <affirmative> not overtly, but you could definitely see it in there for the union, um, logo. Sure. And then there, I found some vintage tags and tickets that would have reference to the garment workers union. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:17:41 Sure. Yeah. So those, and I know your color palette was very strong too on this too. Cause I only saw it when you brought them in for sizing them up to be framed. Um, I haven't seen them in the final space yet, so I'm looking forward to actually seeing them, the
Speaker 2 00:17:52 Colors
Speaker 3 00:17:52 Worked perfect. And that's the thing it's like, it was like, I just remember these reds and the yellows and these, you know, vertical lines that you have from the bamboo. It just created such neat segmentation on the PA on the page. But then it was like, you said, little, you know, bits of nature, things move a little bit of movement in there. Well, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, it's not all just stagnant heavy lines with brakes and things in there. So
Speaker 4 00:18:11 Yeah, there's definitely little subtle mm-hmm <affirmative> details that one of the things I wanted to be part of the flow of it is when people come into the building, I wanted there to be a continuous kind of storyline. And so there is a horizon running through all four pieces mm-hmm <affirmative> so it was hung yep. By Dave and his brother, John. Yeah. Mostly John
Speaker 2 00:18:35 In
Speaker 4 00:18:36 That specific way so that you could see from beginning to end this line running through. So it felt like you were kind of walking the beach or walking a landscape and seeing it continuously to the end. And it was meant to be kind of more complex mm-hmm <affirmative> and busier as a landscape in the first panel. And then as you move along, it kind of
Speaker 3 00:19:03 Opened up and
Speaker 4 00:19:04 Evolved. Yeah. Yeah. So at the end you're just kind of meditating on the water and it kind of feels like a quieter moment. Sure. And, um, that's why I was trying to encourage people to kind of get up close, see it from a distance, but also get up close and see those little, see
Speaker 3 00:19:19 The little bits, little soft pins details too. Yeah. Because the, the pieces weren't all the same size either. I know your endcap pieces were yes. Like were they full square profile or were
Speaker 4 00:19:28 They just, um, a four foot by three foot, um, dip tick on either end mm-hmm <affirmative> um, so they're um, two anchor paintings together, um, connected, which of course mark helped me with as, as he always does. Um, so the two end panels are the same size and shape those two rectangles. And then the, the middle panels are more of a long, horizontal mm-hmm <affirmative> um, almost like a panoramic view. Right. So those are the trip, which are three panels, um, together. And those are five foot by, I think, two foot high.
Speaker 3 00:20:03 Yeah. So if you think of almost like a capital I on its side, you know, with the end, just kind, exactly giving it that unique form. That again, it's not something you see in every <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:13 So it's two dip ticks on the end, on the end. And then you have two, two trip ticks in the middle, in the middle. Yep. Creating like a, you know, overall it's like, it is a lot of dimension to it. Exactly. Exactly. What's what's four pieces that lined up. What's a quadri
Speaker 3 00:20:27 Right. We're at the quartet of uh,
Speaker 2 00:20:30 Yeah. I mean, but it is, uh, you know, they line up great, but there's the four in the row. What do you call that? Scott? You, you know, everything.
Speaker 6 00:20:37 Oh God of course. Put me on the spot. Come on, Scott. You can do this think, think, Nope. I got nothing.
Speaker 3 00:20:52 Yeah, no, I don't know everything. Dave, trust me,
Speaker 2 00:20:55 It's
Speaker 4 00:20:55 A quad, it's a quad espresso. That's who it is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:20:58 <laugh> but inside of that quad there's Dix and
Speaker 3 00:21:00 Triptic, but like I said, the shape of it is just,
Speaker 4 00:21:04 I just like to say multi panel. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:21:05 Multi panels, the easiest way to go. <laugh> it cos just a whole bunch of different subjects. Exactly. But it does make it a unique flow on the wall. Mm-hmm <affirmative> versus it just being three or four pieces, the exact same size, just yes. You know, creating, you know, breaks in height and everything. It does change where your eye line falls. So having your horizon run through the center of all four of those panels is one unique because it's not all the same, much, not that easy to line up either. I'm sure. Correct. To get 'em to hang prop on
Speaker 4 00:21:33 Your wall, my studio space to try to like actually make that work.
Speaker 2 00:21:36 Did you have them all laid out when you were working at it? So you could look at it a whole
Speaker 4 00:21:39 Yes. So yes. I line them up at different points through the process. Yeah. And, um, propped them up on paint cans and whatever else I had to try to imagine how I would want them hung. Yep. And then to try to communicate that with you. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:21:58 One and a half paint cans, fun of the,
Speaker 4 00:22:01 So I kind of figured out that I definitely wanted them, you know, those middle ones centered on the end caps. Yeah. Um, to get that feel plus tricky space. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:22:12 Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:22:12 Where tricky it was a ramp. So the foyer,
Speaker 3 00:22:15 So the floor isn't even,
Speaker 4 00:22:16 Even so it because, um, it's an old building. Yeah. And Warren had it, um, renovated. Um, so that it's handicapped accessible. Mm-hmm <affirmative> the entire entryway is a ramp.
Speaker 3 00:22:27 It's a gradient. Huh. So it all
Speaker 4 00:22:28 Yep. So they had to measure off the ceiling to get that level. Um, so that was,
Speaker 2 00:22:33 Yeah, it was definitely that challenging install.
Speaker 4 00:22:35 Good thing. We had professionals on the job that could measure and
Speaker 2 00:22:39 Good thing. We had John and
Speaker 4 00:22:40 Good tools because we, we came into a little, he
Speaker 2 00:22:43 Throw number of it, like the, the floor issues
Speaker 3 00:22:46 Challenge.
Speaker 2 00:22:47 And he had the,
Speaker 4 00:22:48 Uh, what was behind the
Speaker 2 00:22:49 Wall. Yeah. Right. So on for two of em, like right behind the wall, it must have been like a, you know, like a beam or something. Oh yeah. Running through. So, you know, he's just losing.
Speaker 4 00:23:00 So yeah, the first I had to change, I think I had gone out to the car to get something. And um, I came back in and Eva was looking at my daughter, was with us, um, for the install cuz <laugh> she's, she's got a great eye. So she comes at me and she goes, I think we have a problem. <laugh> cause he, I broke the first drill bit. Oh shit. Going into the wall. And then of course we're talking to Warren, we're like what's behind there. And we're like, you know, what's behind there. Right. You were here
Speaker 3 00:23:28 Just an old industrial I beam.
Speaker 4 00:23:29 It was, it was actually a half wall of marble. Oh geez. I think there was marble behind there that they had built over, but it was only partially. So I'm sure you were hitting.
Speaker 2 00:23:39 Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Top
Speaker 3 00:23:41 Stuff. It was like going through a halfer plywood into brick or you know, concrete, you're gonna snap a whole bunch of bits trying to go off of
Speaker 2 00:23:47 That. Yeah. Yeah. So he's going with security hangers. <laugh> he's trying, he had to switch from the tops to go, you know, to go down on, unfortunately, because of the different shapes. Mm-hmm <affirmative> he had, uh, you know, the, the, the longer ones, the Triptic in the middle mm-hmm <affirmative> were, you know, down drop down just fortunately below. So those ones were, we locked out on that those ones were able to hang normally. And then the other ones he had to adjust, go to dings on the sides with the key on the bottom
Speaker 3 00:24:15 To lock an in place. Oh God. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:24:17 And it was, yeah. And I think that we, you know, and we locked out also, cause I don't think we had lot more options <laugh> I would write hardware. Yeah. Because we took, you know, I was almost driving back to Dorchester to get
Speaker 3 00:24:30 More, oh, get their Girlilla glue we're
Speaker 2 00:24:33 To the wall. No, I mean, he's a, John's a pro he, so he would've figured out a way to get him up on the wall one way or the
Speaker 3 00:24:39 People wonder why our toolboxes, you know, ju to get on wheels when we're bringing these things into hang a small picture in a house, cuz you never know what you're gonna find. Yeah. You need the whole kitchen sink to get it up on the wall. Mm-hmm
Speaker 4 00:24:50 <affirmative> that's why I didn't wanna be a part of <laugh> that yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:53 Your part was done. And I, I was like,
Speaker 4 00:24:57 I'm making the paintings. Yeah. That is the end. <laugh> yeah. We need the professionals to professionals. Do the install. I mean,
Speaker 2 00:25:04 That's what, you know, again, that we, some of the stuff we're trying to do here is connection partnerships, you know, like that was, I mean, I had a blast that day. I mean, that's great. Uh, I don't know, John had to deal with more of the stress, so it like, but I mean, going Steve was
Speaker 4 00:25:18 Having a great time.
Speaker 2 00:25:19 Sure. Yeah. I was talking with, well, Warren's giving me a tour of his office, you know, which
Speaker 3 00:25:24 I'm sure was also interest by
Speaker 4 00:25:25 The way that building is phenomenal. Yeah. And yes, his office, I, I was like, I could stay there all day and look at all the interesting features there.
Speaker 2 00:25:33 Yeah. Yeah. So a lot more, well, a lot of our stress is on John's play. We, you know, but again, I mean, I think that's a great, you know, partnership for us, with our, with artists, other customers, you know, and I think that we're moving in the direction with our website. We're gonna have more, you know, artists pages we're starting, you know, starting slow, but we're, you know, we're building those up and I think that's a great way too. So someone's like, oh, I saw someone's paintings in here. Like, you know, two years ago it's like all well, you know, here's the link to the website, you know, to their page on there. And you know, another way to like connect people, you know
Speaker 3 00:26:09 This too. I mean, just being able to hear, you know, people's thoughts on a process on how they go about doing something and a small connection to the artist is always, I think something like, you know, you can always order any print off of line that you like, you just may like the, the design, but you have no connection to it. There's no conversation other than like, I like the blue, that's why I got it. It matches my couch. It matches my couches in my furniture
Speaker 2 00:26:31 OTC. Right. Or,
Speaker 3 00:26:33 You know, I met this person while they were at a gala and they had their own set, you know, setup upstairs. They had 20 pieces and I was able to talk to her about how each one of you know, that's a little bit more, again, a little, especially when people come over, it's a, a nice little conversation. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and if you have a connection to the artwork, I always find it means more.
Speaker 2 00:26:47 Yeah. And I think that, you know, when we have, you know, when these pages, when my vision, you know, I'll talk to Warren about it, you know,
Speaker 3 00:26:54 If anyone to talk about the vision board is Warren, I tell you use
Speaker 2 00:26:57 It. Um, but you know, I mean, I, I envision, you know, like bios and you know, some pictures showing the relationship in here, you know, I think once we update, that's a great idea. Once we update the, your page, I think that those pictures are war, you know, from, you know, from Warren's, uh, place will be up there. Yeah. And you, but
Speaker 4 00:27:14 That can be a great resource for people coming in here who don't really know what they want. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:27:19 I mean, I think some people, people are, are, you know, it's, I, it's funny cuz you, you you're around original, you know, for me like I'm around original art a lot, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> and you know, so I'm not intimidated, you know, intimidated by it, you know, if I want to buy, so there's a price. And then, you know, I'm not worried about making a, a decision that people are gonna, you know, judge <affirmative> or, you know, it's just buy what you, you know, buy the artwork. I think Dina has the, you know, the tagline, you know, it's, you know, frame what you love, love what you frame mm-hmm <affirmative>. I mean, it's the same thing with buying artwork. You buy artwork that you, you, you love or you have a connection to have it up on the wall. I mean, I'm trying to do a start a series of just like explanations of videos of, you know, paintings I have at my house.
Speaker 2 00:28:03 Cause I think that would, that would also lead into like some interesting stuff of like showing people's artwork in their homes and like just getting the backstory of it, cuz there's so much more to like, you know, having good art, you know, real art opposed to like, oh, you know, I mean there's something to be, you know, there's great, you know, master painters and having like a print of their stuff. Sure. That's you know, but there's so much more and like it's such a more interesting story when you're like, like the story behind, you know, warrants, paintings, and you know, it's like these connections, you know, opposed to like, oh yeah. I mean, I master bedrooms of UN you know, I have a dog, I have a bed, you know, like let's throw a, you know, like
Speaker 3 00:28:41 I relate, looks like my dog. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:28:44 I relate to this painting. Yeah. This print. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:28:46 Well that's the good thing about this area is just such a rich, you know, cultural art base, you know, I mean, it really helps having such a diverse group that comes in here a lot, which is, which is nice. But even the people that walk in off the street who have never been through our drawer before they've and want something framed that they have, even if it is, you know, a, a smaller print that they just got it out, maybe they're just starting their art collection. Yep. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and they don't have a clue of where to go to yet to get that kind of stuff. You know, it's so easy to look it up online and they're gonna direct you to whoever puts the highest bid up for putting their, their, their website up. And, you know, it's gonna bring it to art.com or something along those lines. And they'll bring in a piece that they really love. Well, if they really love it. And they've taught, had the time to come in here all the way, you know, instead of just going to someplace, you know, chain store and coming into see us, they care enough about to get it done. Same thing is if they come in and I'm sure look at, you know, your stuff, they they've put enough interest and thought into wanting to work with somebody that, you know, it means something to them. So that's what was great about Warren, you
Speaker 2 00:29:43 Know? Yeah. And there's so many art associations around here too. Like I feel like that's another thing that we can do. Mm-hmm <affirmative> with our, with our website and I envision the kind of having that calendar page, having all of the tie-ins for like shows. Cause I mean, there's, I mean, and you know, you, I'm sure you're part of all of, uh, all of em in some, some degree, right? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:30:03 One recently that we had here, if I can remember correct you Hanover days <laugh> yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2 00:30:07 Yeah. And even, even, uh, yeah. Yeah. Those ones Hanover days is mm-hmm <affirmative> the art show is your, your, uh, your baby, right? Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:30:15 Yeah. It is. It is. I've been involved in the cultural council for many, many years, probably about 15 years now. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and um, and the Hanover day art show happened to fall in my lap cuz I happened to be an artist. Right.
Speaker 3 00:30:29 You're an, artist's funny how that happens.
Speaker 4 00:30:30 Right. You know, the assumption is that I know about it all. I know all the artists in the area and um, but also having, um, you know, connections with say the Souths shore arts center in Cohasset or the north river mm-hmm <affirmative> and you start to build that community. Um, so that at least you can have the right resources to reach out to other artists and that's how it's built over the years. Yeah. And, and then there's an expectation that people are gonna hear about it. Yeah. So, so that's what we try to do is keep building on that and having this venue, um, you know, that you've so generously given us to use for that purpose is just a huge gift. And it's such a great resource here right. In our town to be able to do that. And it connects so well with the big event that we do that weekend. It kicks off handover day, you know it, and we, we should actually call it handover days because it starts
Speaker 3 00:31:28 With, it's a multiple set.
Speaker 4 00:31:30 It's not just, it starts with having the reception here yep. On that Thursday night just before. Yep. Um, and then it feeds into all the festivities of the, of the coming weekend. So, and it, it really is a great celebration of local artists. Yep.
Speaker 3 00:31:45 It means a lot to them too. I know a lot of the local artists that, you know, they have been thinking, you know, should I put my stuff in? Is it good not to put it in here? I always say, I go, if you're ever hesitant, always put it in for this show. If you put your piece in, it's in, you get to display it among the pieces. There's no, judgment's very inclusive. It's there's no, it's just
Speaker 4 00:32:03 Exactly. The jurying is simply to give awards. Right? It's not whether your piece gets allowed into the show or not exactly. Everything is included such a nice
Speaker 3 00:32:13 It's set. It's such a kick in the gut to go, oh, I love this piece. And they hated it cuz I didn't even get to the, you know, it didn't wasn't somebody's cup of tea. It didn't make it in. And you know, you always feel like, oh, well maybe I I'll stop. And but
Speaker 4 00:32:24 So we believe that that is a really important part of the Hanover day art show is that everything that is submitted gets put up. Yeah. And that's a really great way for somebody who might not be that comfortable entering a piece into a show to know that they have that safe place.
Speaker 3 00:32:41 <laugh> yeah. Everyone deserves to have that feeling. At least absolutely getting their piece up and
Speaker 2 00:32:45 Makes for a good community.
Speaker 4 00:32:47 I mean, as artists, we know that like, you know, not every piece is ever is gonna get into every show mm-hmm <affirmative> but for somebody who's just starting out or um, you know, somebody who's not that comfortable with Jud art shows yes. To be, to have that, you know, feeling judgment, comfort. To know that if I put something it's gonna go up on the wall.
Speaker 2 00:33:07 Well, cuz jurors, I mean you have one show and one show to the next and you have different jurors. There's such like such a, I was talking to, uh, to Becky ack who would show won the best in show in P mm-hmm <affirmative> and then she tried to enter that same piece into another show and it was rejected. Oh. So you go from best in shows in, in one show to a rejection. Exactly. Another. And
Speaker 4 00:33:28 It's just, and that's the range. Yeah. That is, that is so, you know, completely what can happen.
Speaker 3 00:33:34 A judge that specializes in so personal photography and then you get another judge who specializes in pastel work mm-hmm <affirmative> or abstracts and mm-hmm <affirmative> each person's gonna see something different. They like it piece, you
Speaker 4 00:33:43 Know know, and I hate to say it's a question of taste, but sometimes it is, it, it is. Yeah. It's it's really the jurors.
Speaker 2 00:33:50 Well, I know some people that go as far as to like investigate the jurors a little. So they're trying to like, they're trying to,
Speaker 3 00:33:56 What's their favorite color
Speaker 2 00:33:57 Strategizing, you know, you know what their, what their, you know, what they are, what their background is. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and trying to appeal to em, which I guess is a smart,
Speaker 3 00:34:05 It's a strategy <laugh>. Yeah. But I mean, it, it also, um, it means that when you have your stuff here, it, it, it it's, like I said, there's no judgment. It makes it so that you have the freedom to keep coming back. Or maybe once you've got in that one, you have the, you know, the background or the, the feeling of like, oh, it's not that bad. You know, it's like, exactly. It's like go and do something the first time that first rollercoaster rides like, oh, you're terrified. And then, oh no, it was nothing. It was, it wasn't so bad after exactly that sigh of relief. One
Speaker 4 00:34:34 Felt that I, you know, was able to, you know, see what it's like to, to actually put my work
Speaker 3 00:34:40 Up. And we had a ton of new people this year that only started doing stuff because of their time off from COVID. Oh, that's true. That's one of those good things that come out of, you know, COVID, you know, it was a bunch of people for a couple things. Exactly. People had the time that's such thing is the time to invest into doing artwork. You know, you can't just sit for five minutes and be done. You have to be able to, you know, take a breath, walk away, look at stuff, come back to it. Right. A few days later and not just have, you know, I can't tell you how many watercolors I started. And like, I didn't get back to it until three months later. And I forgot what I was doing. You know, it's just, you know, having that freedom, definitely, you know, a lot, a lot more people to be, uh, involved. So hopefully next year we'll be even bigger. Absolutely. You know, now that this was the first year back,
Speaker 2 00:35:23 So a little bit of more about your stuff, Karen, sorry to pull. No, its good. So people can find your stuff, your website.
Speaker 4 00:35:32 I do not have a, an active website right now. I'm on Instagram. Um, and that is, yeah. So that's the
Speaker 3 00:35:38 Best way to view
Speaker 4 00:35:38 Your pieces. Yeah. I just feel like it's, it's
Speaker 2 00:35:40 Just an artist page too.
Speaker 4 00:35:42 <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:35:43 Exactly. See some of the stuff like that and then link through to your,
Speaker 4 00:35:46 I feel like people don't take the time to really investigate websites anymore. I think it's just kind of like almost pass a now. Um, but
Speaker 2 00:35:54 Instagram's a great platform too exactly. For showing artwork, you know, cuz
Speaker 4 00:35:58 Because it's very immediate. Yeah. And it's, it's about like, what am I doing right now? Yeah. Um, and so that's the stuff because keeping up a website is very cumbersome. Yep. And <laugh>, it
Speaker 2 00:36:09 Gets, takes away from that time you can be spent painting.
Speaker 4 00:36:12 Exactly. And so when you have very little time, which I have very little time because I teach full time teach mm-hmm <affirmative> and um, so, you know, summer is my like, huh, my moment that I get to like, you know, dig in. Um, but having very limited amount of time, Instagram is a great, um, you know, platform for me because it's like, okay, I can, I can put a few pictures up and, and then, you know, go on to the next yeah. Um, you know, throw a video on there and, and move. Yeah. Um, and it, and it does kind of track my progress, which is kind of nice too. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it is just it's right there. It's
Speaker 3 00:36:48 Immediate it's there and you can also go back and have it all stored. Yes. So you don't have to worry about,
Speaker 4 00:36:52 You know, archive, you know exactly. Um, and catalog
Speaker 3 00:36:55 Three years ago, you did this, it's like up here, I forgot about, you know, things like, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:36:59 So now the other thing I wanted to ask you about too, is that artisan residency over at the social arts. Oh
Speaker 4 00:37:05 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:37:06 So tell me about, tell me a little bit about that, cuz I'm curious about how that whole thing shakes up and are they doing that all this like on a regular basis?
Speaker 4 00:37:14 I, I believe it is still happening. Um, I was artist
Speaker 2 00:37:18 Arts center by the way. It's like, it's another
Speaker 4 00:37:20 Fantastic. They they're fantastic. I love everything they do. And it's a great resource. Um,
Speaker 2 00:37:27 And there's a ton of great not to like put them above everyone else, but their facility is fantastic in
Speaker 4 00:37:33 The great, great, and they really very professional work hard to, you know, promote the shows and, and um, and keep current yep. And really, you know, bring in interesting shows and really great themed shows and allow, um, gallery artists opportunities to curate mm-hmm <affirmative> so I've been a gallery artist down there for, oh gosh. Um, I don't know. It's at least 10 years now. Yeah. And um, I also had the opportunity to do the artist and residence program, which was just a phenomenal, uh, opportunity to work with kids. Yeah. Oh that's. Yeah. And so it's, it was, um, I, I'm not sure if it's still run exactly this way. They had to alter it for many. Yeah. Everything changes for, with COVID. They did. Um, they did a, a, um, I believe a, like a traveling program so that they would come to your school. Ah, but when I was doing it, it was, um, it was a field trip. It was a free field trip mm-hmm <affirmative> so the only thing I think the schools had to pay for was their transportation. Yep. Um, and so the art center provided all the materials, um, and the artist, um, who was featured would do, um, whatever really they chose to do. So I did a slide presentation. I, um, had, um, kind of a collaborative piece that I did with the kids where they got to, um, make a collage with me. Yep.
Speaker 2 00:39:02 All
Speaker 4 00:39:03 Have their hand in as kind of, so they would, they would add to something that I had started, um, and they would come and pin things up and we would glue them down and, and then they did their own hands on project where they got to take something home. So they had it. Yeah. Um, so the work that we did, um, during my program was a, a combination of printmaking and collage. Nice. So, and I talked in my presentation a lot about like things that inspire me travel and, um, my passions like, um, architecture and nature. And, um, those kinds of things were featured in all of my, um, photographs I showed not only, um, my inspiration, but artwork that connected with that. So I did that presentation. The kids got to be a part of a piece that we collaborated on mm-hmm <affirmative> and then they got to do their own work with a lot of volunteers in the space. So it was a blast and
Speaker 2 00:40:01 It, a lot of inspiration from watching those kids
Speaker 4 00:40:03 Fantastic to see their faces and I can do this and, and just, we made big messes <laugh> yeah. And, and a lot of, well, what's nice about this program is that for, um, schools that don't really have a great art program, it was a great resource for, um, for teachers to take the kids. Yep. And have them have this great experience in a gallery space. They could see art, they could connect with an artist and be an artist themselves and be able to think like an artist and kind of imagine themselves, um, as an artist and being like truly accepted as that. Yeah. Like why not everyone can be an artist
Speaker 2 00:40:43 <laugh> yeah. Enough
Speaker 4 00:40:44 It right. And so I think that they gave kids the opportunity to feel that way.
Speaker 2 00:40:49 Yeah. And that, yeah, it, I think that's great and that everyone can be an artist. Absolutely. And that's like some, you know, and again, like that's like original artwork when you're hanging like a picture, your kids on your, you know, you know, at your house, the kid doesn't even have to be that great. It's just like, you have that connection to it. You know, like that's such to me is such a more meaningful, uh, you know, type of piece of artwork on the wall. Absolutely framed properly and, you
Speaker 4 00:41:14 Know, framed properly.
Speaker 2 00:41:14 Absolutely. That makes a difference, you know, the presentation, but I, you know, it's it such a more interesting thing than just the, you know, you know, store bought like thing that you don't have a connection to. I mean, there is, you know, having a connection to something cuz it's like, you know, you bought it or you were on vacation, like yes. Type of print, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> but there's a, there's always a story behind all this stuff that's hanging on people's walls. And like, you know, the depth of the artwork is like, you know, it doesn't have to be original. It could be a print, but like the, you know, the more the story is that that's there. I think it's just so much more interesting.
Speaker 4 00:41:49 Totally agree. And I think that's the stuff I say to my students all the time is like, you, you bring yourself to your work. Yeah. It's not about, um, making it perfect or making it like the example or, you know, it has to be this way or that way. And these are the steps it's about taking the journey and being creative and having that process mm-hmm <affirmative> and discovering what happens when this brush hits the paper and you know, how does that make you feel? Mm-hmm <affirmative> those kinds of things are really so much more important than that finished product that they <laugh>, that they come up with. Um, I know that that's sometimes, you know, what, what the parents see yeah. Is at the end of the day, what, what did you bring home? Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative> um, but for the child going through that process and discovering and, um, and not being afraid to make a mistake, just like being okay with that. And a lot of kids are like, did I do it right? And I'm like, well, yeah. <laugh> yeah. Cause you did it, do you like
Speaker 3 00:42:54 It? Then? Yes you did. Right?
Speaker 4 00:42:55 Yeah. Did I do it right? And it's like, well, it's right. If it feels right. And if it doesn't feel right, yeah. Then you could always paint over it. Exactly. And you could always erase it or you can always just start again.
Speaker 3 00:43:06 It didn't dry. Right. And crack it's like, well, guess me, that's
Speaker 4 00:43:10 Part of the process we learn, you know,
Speaker 3 00:43:12 You learn more from mistakes than you do from fixed successes.
Speaker 4 00:43:15 I totally agree. And I think that's the fun part. Mm-hmm <affirmative> it's like, I feel like, you know, once you make a mistake, that's an opportunity. Mm-hmm, <affirmative>, it's an opportunity to see like what you can do next. Yes. Or how you can get to the next place. Yep. And have fun with that process instead of being like, oh no, you know? Yeah. I ruined it. <laugh> yeah, Nope.
Speaker 3 00:43:34 I have had those moments, but you know, again, you learn to,
Speaker 2 00:43:38 Well, that's one of the, expect them, one of the ways to add a little more layers to the painting steer. Right. You make a couple mistakes, you just
Speaker 4 00:43:44 Go right over save
Speaker 3 00:43:45 'em all. Especially when they do like the next day, it's like, oh, this is due tomorrow. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, I don't have time for pressure like this, but yeah, no, it's usually when the best stuff comes out anyway.
Speaker 4 00:43:52 Absolutely.
Speaker 2 00:43:54 So you're showing, uh, you show still at south shore arts center from time when they have show you.
Speaker 4 00:43:59 Yeah. Yep. Um, and it depends on what is happening, what the call for entries is. Cuz I feel like sometimes I feel very connected to an idea and we'll submit, um, to something like that. All the, you know, member shows and things like that. I always, um, try to contribute.
Speaker 2 00:44:15 Do we have plenty around here? You
Speaker 4 00:44:17 Know mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:44:17 <affirmative> yeah. South shore, north river Plymouth. Great.
Speaker 3 00:44:20 All artists mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:44:22 <affirmative> yep.
Speaker 4 00:44:23 I think pembro just had, yeah, they just wrapped up in August, right?
Speaker 3 00:44:26 Yeah. And then the
Speaker 2 00:44:28 Chris Sullivan there she was she's coming on here to just, you know, to wrap up the uh, yeah. Twist my arm for donations. Yeah,
Speaker 4 00:44:37 Yeah, yeah. Oh boy. And
Speaker 3 00:44:39 The hell artist studios. I think they have their open house, 17th and eighteens. So that's like 20 different galleries are 20 different artist studios. You can go everyone. Oh, that's great. Actually see the artist area where they work and you know, speak with him, which is nice
Speaker 4 00:44:51 Too. That me is just such a great experience. Yeah. I, I should actually mention when, um, I was in the process of finishing those paintings for Warren. I invited him to the studio just so that he would have that comfort level that like I'm actually doing the choir
Speaker 3 00:45:06 <laugh>, they're coming, it's
Speaker 4 00:45:08 It's happening. Like you can see it in progress. And he was so excited to have that opportu.
Speaker 3 00:45:13 I'm sure you probably see how some of it was done too, you know, like to see like the steps and progress
Speaker 4 00:45:17 On it. And it was great to have a little like interaction with him to say, you know, you know, do you feel good about what I'm doing? Um, not that I'm gonna start over, but <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:45:26 Yeah. Do late feedback. Make sure you go into the right direction.
Speaker 4 00:45:30 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 00:45:31 And how was Warren now? You, you got to give a little talk about the, you know, about the pieces mm-hmm
Speaker 4 00:45:37 <affirmative> yeah. So that present, not
Speaker 2 00:45:38 Something you do for heavy
Speaker 4 00:45:39 Aging. No <laugh> and I prefer not to it's like, you know, I, I like, um, kind of letting my art speak for itself, but this was a great opportunity for me. Um, even though I hate doing it, I don't like, you know, public speaking, but it was a great opportunity to reflect on how this all came about.
Speaker 3 00:46:03 It is the whole project overall. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:46:04 What my thought process was and how to articulate that. Yep. Um, in words, rather than just, just look at it and you can figure it out just by
Speaker 3 00:46:14 Looking at it, what's it mean to you, but <laugh> but
Speaker 4 00:46:16 A lot of times you can't and I think, um, I think a lot of things are not clear to people. Yeah. They just sort of see it and kind of walk by it mm-hmm <affirmative> and that was one of the messages that I was trying to convey is that, you know, this is actually here, um, for a lot of reasons, um, because of Warren's passions about, you know, investing in an artist mm-hmm, <affirmative> investing in real original artwork. Yep. But also, um, I wanted people to think about like, how do you interact with artwork? Yeah. How do you maybe take the time to like slow your process down? Like we walk by so many things. We we're always in a rush, you know, especially when you're going to work. Yes. And people are walking through the lobby and hitting the elevator button and like, well, while you're waiting for the elevator, you can actually have that take a moment
Speaker 3 00:47:06 Experience, you
Speaker 4 00:47:07 Know? And so what was, um, kind of an important message I was trying to convey is like you, this, this building is about unity. It's about yep. Um, these labor organizations and the, and the, the work that's done there yeah. Is about, you know, building community and, um, having that safe place. And I said, well, you know, people from anywhere in the world can stand in front of these paintings that are a completely imaginary place. Yeah. And maybe have a connection and maybe think about something from their child. Yeah. Trigger
Speaker 2 00:47:37 Thought,
Speaker 4 00:47:38 You know, it might just make you remember something or, um, even just have a moment of just serenity in your day <laugh> mm-hmm <affirmative> um, so that was your
Speaker 3 00:47:47 Daily moment of Zen.
Speaker 4 00:47:48 Yeah. Just that one little moment that you might have in front of a painting or a piece of artwork, that's just an important just speck of your day.
Speaker 3 00:47:57 It is. And that's the whole reason behind it is to make you feel something. So
Speaker 2 00:48:01 I want, I wanted to get in for the talk as well, but I, unfortunately that was the, you know, Dina, mark vacation, Scott missing
Speaker 3 00:48:10 A bunch of yeah. Was
Speaker 4 00:48:12 Running a business. You kind of have to just, you know,
Speaker 2 00:48:14 I was, but fortunately it was recorded on, on video and that was great. I know a guy. So I actually, I was hoping to actually watch it before, uh, you know, you came in for this, but the day kind of got away from me, but it's all good. I do actually wanna see, cause I want to, you know, yeah. I've seen the pieces get to get, to be involved in a sense. So I kind of want to watch the video and hear Warren speak on it. So,
Speaker 4 00:48:38 And he, he was so amazing. He is an incredible speaker off the cuff, just not a, um, or an, um, oh
Speaker 3 00:48:47 My God. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:48:48 He just speaks so beautifully about his experience and the history and just everything that he's passionate about. Yep. And, um, he really is just, he, he owns that <laugh> yeah. And really wants to build that sense of community in that, in the building. And it's, it was great to hear him talk about that. That's
Speaker 2 00:49:09 A cool thing. I would like to see it too. And like, you know, again, like that's, it almost mimics what we're trying to do. Mm-hmm <affirmative> just trying to, you know, and it's so important. I mean, that's why we know other things in the community, like handover days, like the art show we do with the kids, hopefully, you know, since we know a teacher from,
Speaker 3 00:49:26 In
Speaker 2 00:49:27 Our schools, hopefully we get that rolling again and,
Speaker 4 00:49:29 Uh, right.
Speaker 2 00:49:30 Yeah. Coming out of COVID, you know, farmer's market, you know, the community stuff. I mean, we're trying to be a part of the, you know, part of the community. So
Speaker 4 00:49:39 It's, you're such a great resource and, and you're, you're generous with your space and your knowledge and the support of local artists. It's just such a great, um, place for me anyway. <laugh> and I think for a lot of people who, who keep coming back.
Speaker 2 00:49:56 Yeah. Well hopefully they keep coming. Yeah. Hopefully that
Speaker 3 00:49:59 Continues. We'll keep it up. We'll keep evolving. Keep putting as much as we can to help everybody. Yeah. Cause you guys, we wouldn't be here either, so yeah. You know?
Speaker 2 00:50:06 Yeah. No, I mean that's what the whole thing,
Speaker 3 00:50:07 The whole symbiotic circle there, high
Speaker 2 00:50:09 Dye, t-shirts you sure it's, you know, you know, we, you know, we're we wanna support the, you know, the art community on the south shore. Cause you know, the, our community on the south shore supported us for a long time. So yeah. Well it's awesome. It's good
Speaker 4 00:50:24 Teamwork.
Speaker 2 00:50:24 Yeah, no, it is. I mean, I think, I think it, you know, it's a, you know, a rising tide thing, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> every, you know, everyone, you know, more people are in, in involved in buying original art, the more people end up gonna frame it. So that's good for us.
Speaker 4 00:50:36 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 00:50:36 Mm-hmm
Speaker 2 00:50:37 <affirmative>, you know, I think that that's like an important message for people too. And like, you know, maybe, you know, original art might cost a little bit more than, you know, than it prints off the wall, but you know, have that connection mm-hmm <affirmative>, you
Speaker 4 00:50:49 Know, it just becomes more meaningful and then, um, and to, to treat it with respect and, and, and get it framed so that it, it will last. Yes. And that I think is, um, is another thing about it. It's like, you know, you might invest in a piece of artwork, but also present it the right way so that it is safe, it lasts longer and then you can pass it down to your yeah.
Speaker 3 00:51:15 <laugh> yeah. With no connection. There's a lot of things that end up on people's, uh, yard sales that, uh, they had no connection to that piece. So they don't care when it's gone. But then, you know, the, you know, the, the grandkid that, you know, this was in grand grandma grandpa's house. Every single time I went over, I saw it now it's hanging in my mm-hmm house because, you know, I wasn't gonna let it go. That's that's kinda kinda special. So yeah.
Speaker 4 00:51:36 Awesome. It's legacy stuff.
Speaker 3 00:51:38 Exactly. <laugh>
Speaker 4 00:51:39 <laugh>
Speaker 2 00:51:40 Well, I'm thrilled that you can, you know, came in, sat down with us and talked. I was glad
Speaker 4 00:51:46 I didn't run away. Exactly. So we're we,
Speaker 2 00:51:49 Uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna certainly watch the video. I think that, you know, you guys should probably you and Warren should collaborate on that and get that out somewhere. Maybe throw a QR code at the bottom of oh sure. The
Speaker 4 00:52:00 Paintings too. That's a good idea.
Speaker 2 00:52:01 Cause that's what we did downs. We did that downstairs for uh Mike's you know, Mike's sleepers. Oh, photograph. Yep. We just did a quick YouTube video. So
Speaker 4 00:52:09 That's a really cool idea. Yeah. Hadn't even thought of that because what we probably should do is create some kind of little plaque or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:52:17 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:52:18 It's easily done for the
Speaker 4 00:52:18 Title of
Speaker 2 00:52:19 It. And then, I mean, that
Speaker 4 00:52:20 Could have that
Speaker 2 00:52:21 You need, I mean, I, again, I mean, those things being up on the wall are an advertisement for you. So you, you know, you need to come up with some sort of way to, you know, people that enjoy it, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> cause you don't have a big signature in there that says cats.
Speaker 4 00:52:35 Yes, definitely should
Speaker 2 00:52:37 Have a little
Speaker 4 00:52:37 Folder for my business cards right there.
Speaker 3 00:52:40 You can do that. Yeah. Make a frame for it. And then on the top said a little,
Speaker 2 00:52:43 No, look at the one. Look at the one that says we have for my like, cause you could definitely do like, you know, like a little black frame mm-hmm <affirmative> mounts to the wall that mimics, you know, so it looks like it's a piece of everything else, right. Almost like a signature card or
Speaker 4 00:52:57 Something. That's a great idea. This
Speaker 3 00:52:58 Is much just much more easy and modern take on, on the business card. It's I
Speaker 4 00:53:02 Shrinks your right. Won't be here this weekend. So you
Speaker 2 00:53:03 Exactly every
Speaker 3 00:53:05 Saturday, like clockwork
Speaker 2 00:53:07 Kick. Well, I mean, you guys gotta collaborate on that cuz no, for sure. You're the one that's on there, but you I'll I'll tell him the idea cuz we that's great.
Speaker 4 00:53:14 He uh, and I think he liked actually I came up with a, a title for the series it's called common threads. Oh nice. So that's I figured, I like that its like a really good tie into, you know, the whole, whole theme of what he does and the history.
Speaker 2 00:53:28 So yeah. And I, and back to like to what we were saying earlier about like websites and whatnot, mm-hmm <affirmative> I think that, you know, people get lost and stuff too. Like you go on like, but like that like a type, you know, either have like a YouTube video or like having that thing, bring, bring the people it into your Instagram or something
Speaker 3 00:53:44 Like that. You could see some of the other pieces. Exactly. Mm-hmm <affirmative> give you a bit, like I said, much better understanding of how you work and what you work in. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:53:50 Yeah. Next time we already talk to Jade. She's the one that creates the QR code for my ideas too. So. Okay. I don't think it's very complicated. No, but yeah. I don't know how to do it.
Speaker 3 00:53:58 So no, the generators are much easier than they used to be. So,
Speaker 2 00:54:00 But I'm sure you could probably, you know, like I'm thinking of some, like you've, I've seen them and they have like a cool design in them too. So you could probably like play with something and like have your name and
Speaker 3 00:54:09 Have your name. Yeah. Put an auto Lloyd in the center of it, you know, just a little <laugh> yeah.
Speaker 4 00:54:13 Something like that.
Speaker 2 00:54:14 Yeah. But yeah. See more ideas like this is what it's all about. I'm
Speaker 4 00:54:18 Gonna take some notes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:54:19 Well yeah. Thank you for joining us today. Oh, it's always, it's my pleasure. Always good to have you come by and uh, I think that's where we'll wrap it up there.
Speaker 2 00:54:27 All right. Awesome. Thanks for joining us I guess. And what do I say? Hey, see you.
