Much ado about....Matting

Much ado about....Matting
The Frame Center Podcast
Much ado about....Matting

Jul 28 2022 | 00:28:06

Episode July 28, 2022 00:28:06

Hosted By

Scott Brundage Dave Petty Elizabeth Perkins Don Claude

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Why do I even need a mat?  What does it even do?  Why is matting a picture so difficult?   All this and more will be covered and discussed in this segment of The Frame Center Podcast.

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Speaker 0 00:00:03 The Speaker 2 00:00:23 All right, this is the frame center podcast. And we got Dave and Scott here today, and we're gonna be discussing all things, framing and all things that are going on at the frame center. And anything else, I guess. Speaker 3 00:00:37 Yeah. Anything that anybody wants to bring up in the conversations, we could certainly go over that. Yep. But today we're gonna be discussing matting. Speaker 2 00:00:44 Yep. Very important aspect of framing. Um, you know, there's a, you know, a lot to it, a lot of stuff for us to cover today and, you know, mattings an important part. There's a lot of different parts that are important. The frame is obviously very important. There's glass there's mats, there's mounting there's assembly. Speaker 3 00:01:05 Mm-hmm <affirmative> there's mat is more than just a little slip of paper in between the glass in your picture. So we'll go cover every little aspect of it there. Just to kind of give you a little broader idea of what goes into the framing process here. So, Speaker 2 00:01:18 All right, Scott, so what is a mat? Speaker 3 00:01:20 Um, Matt simply it is okay. I said it was simply not a piece of paper, but it is it's multiple layers of paper, actually, uh, colors, fabrics, things along those lines that actually separate your artwork from touching the glass to help protect it. And that's, that's its main purpose is protection. You know, there are, like I said, there's many types of matting there's standard paper, different varieties of colors. It comes in different thicknesses, four apply Aly. So it gives you some depth, you colored cores, you've got fabrics, metallics you've even got, you know, materials such as like football, skin, basketball, skins, golf, Astro turf, you can get all kinds of different things in there for, for matting. Speaker 2 00:02:01 Yep. And there is, there's a couple different types of matting in the sense of like archival, but we only use, you know, strictly use acid-free mats so that, you know, everything that we do here is archival, uh, you know, opposed to, you know, some sort of presentation mat that might, you know, actually be, you know, have some Speaker 3 00:02:23 Yeah. Instead of simply outlining it. Yeah. This actually will preserve it. Yeah. Non yellowing, keep everything from again, keep it protected. That's the main purpose on this is protection. Speaker 2 00:02:33 Yeah. Protection and you know, like I said, all the ones that we custom cut here, they're acid free, not like a, just a, a simple frame that you'd pick up at a, you know, like our Creighton barrel or a, Speaker 3 00:02:44 You know, any chain store Speaker 2 00:02:45 Chain store. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Not, not the type that you would pick up in a chain store or, you know, just off the shelf somewhere that has a, you know, a mat that, you know, eventually is gonna cause some damage to the art, whatever the artwork area it is that you're presenting. Um, you know, that's fine if it's just like, you know, simple presentation, but if it's something that you're gonna have for a long time, something that you actually have, uh, you know, you care enough about to custom frame, you know, you always want to use an acid free mat mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:03:18 <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative> I mean, and there's a couple different reasons for matting too. I mean, you know, say your picture is cut uneven or you have a newspaper, that's got all kinds of ragged edging and things along those lines. It's a great way to just kind of square it off, make it look nice and clean and neat, trim it up and uh, you know, just make it presentable. Um, you know, again, acting as a spacer between the glass is the main thing, but you know, you can also use it to increase the overall size of a piece. If you think it's too small for your wall and you wanna just beef it up a little bit, it does make it wider overall, uh, in the long run, which can, which can definitely increase its, you know, presence in what you see when you look at it more so than just, you know, a small five by seven, five by seven photograph can go up to an eight by 10 into 11 by 14 and go Speaker 2 00:04:06 Crazy, make it a 16, 20, Speaker 3 00:04:08 So oh good. Yeah. Yeah, no, you can re well then you can also make things, look a little lost. There's one thing, you know, where you're just trying to make it, you know, fit a space and there's another for about balance, but we'll get into balance about that, you know, in a little bit here, but um, you know, you can use it to pick up, you know, a certain color in the piece that you want to accentuate and make it, you know, pop a little bit more, uh, add depth and dimension to a piece of artwork. And then, um, you can also use it. So if you're say putting in an art show or something along those lines, having a mat around your artwork allows a place for people to handle your work without actually physically touching your artwork itself. And that's an important thing we have that happen here all the time. Speaker 3 00:04:44 When the artists come in for all the different art shows for north river for, uh, you know, uh, uh, Plymouth center for the arts. I mean, they, they all have these large turnouts that they have to present artwork. Sometimes it's unframed all depending on what they're looking to do. And the last thing you want is somebody touching, you know, a fine art piece, a watercolor, a, uh, a pastel, cuz it will leave fingerprints. It will leave oils off your hands and it will destroy it eventually. I mean it show up now, but three years down the line, those oils will turn yellow and discolor the piece. So it is important. Speaker 2 00:05:15 Yeah. And people, I think sometimes they're, you know, they're confused and still, you know, what colors to pick up and you know, you know, a lot of times we'll use this, you know, kind of a neutral, you know, easy, you know, simple, uh, you know, mat on the top and then we can, you know, accentuate in different color with an inner mat mm-hmm <affirmative> um, you know, and obviously there's not there isn't a right or a wrong, I mean, it's, you know, basically whatever you, you know, you want that's, what's available. Um, you know, Speaker 3 00:05:46 Everyone's opinion is different. Everyone wants to pull a different color outta something. Some people wanna pull out the gold accent in the piece and they don't wanna do it with the frame. They think it might be too, too bold, but a little accent, you know, and like I say, a document or a certificate to a company in, you know, an emblem, an emblem or an embossment that's, you know, the document that's nice little school, simple touch that just brings a little bit more to it. So it's not just plain and flat. Speaker 2 00:06:10 Yeah. Sometimes like a school colors on a diploma look nice. Speaker 3 00:06:14 Um, Speaker 2 00:06:14 You, you know, in there, you know, or, you know, if you're doing something with, you know, uh, like company colors or school colors, any, you know, any times that you can kind of, uh, you know, add in the, like the branding element from, you know, for whatever it is, you're framing. Speaker 3 00:06:28 Yeah. I mean, one of the big ones we get in all the time are the, uh, concert posters when from around the area mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, some of the big ones at Fenway and like Pearl jam or, you know, Paul McCartney was just there the other night, you know, there's always, we're gonna get a whole flush of just people coming in and we'll do the same front, you know, the same picture, but it won't be framed the same way twice. Everyone's gonna pick a different frame, a different type of glass. But the biggest thing is usually the matting, cuz everyone wants to pick out something different sometimes it's to accent, uh, you know, maybe they signed it with a silver pen. So they add a silver accent or just to pick up that little aspect or maybe because it was at Fenway, they'll frame it in the, you know, Navy and red or the red Sox or Speaker 2 00:07:05 Yeah, well that you can throw in the green for the green, the Speaker 3 00:07:07 Green monster. Yeah. The green monster go in there. But uh, there's there's like, like Dave said, there's no right or wrong way of framing a piece. It's all about opinion and you know, your opinion's what matters. Speaker 2 00:07:17 Yep. And the, then that, that other, uh, you know, aside from the color, there's also the, you know, the amount of math that you want to show and the amount of an internet you want to show. But you know, I mean, I don't think that again, there's really a right or a wrong, it's really just a matter of your personal opinion. Um, you know, there's a hundred right answers and very few wrong, um, answers. I mean the one thing that I tend to try to keep people away from is you don't want to have a frame and a mat that are, you know, that are the same size, you know, that when, when that gets up on the wall, that starts to feel really stripy. Yep. So you want to have like a contrast, uh, in the, the two sizes and you know, a lot of times we'll just, you know, kind of lay the mat out, lay the sample out and kind of show people the different amounts of map board, you know, that, that it will show and kind of, you know, figure out what works best. Um, you know, that there's the, uh, the golden ratio, what's that Scott? Speaker 3 00:08:16 Oh God, I knew you were gonna ask me that. Of course it's not the one I follow, but yeah, there is a golden ratio for, for balance. Uh, I mean, what I do yeah is, you know, one and a half times the width of the frame minimum, you got a one inch frame put at least a one and a half inch mat on there. Maybe two, I think that's a good way to start just so that in case you're doing multiple layers, it doesn't get stripy. It doesn't become too busy looking. You need a little bit of, you know, space in between the edge of your frame and the picture, you know, especially if you got something like say a gallery wall or a piece where it's going up with other pieces, the wider your mat and frame is from your artwork. It allows your eye to focus on just one picture and not the entire wall at a time, you get to look at one piece before flowing over to the next. So when they're too tight, if it's like a half inch wide frame and you do a half inch wide mat, you know, it looks kind of forced and shoved in there. It doesn't have that, that balance that it really needs. And I always think balance is the key. So yep. That one and a half times the width a frame is usually a good starting point. You can always make it smaller, but it's a good place to start off with just to visually see, you know, what you're looking at. Speaker 2 00:09:21 Yeah. I mean, again, it, sometimes it depends on what the artwork is too. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, and, and the one thing that I would say, you know, you know, always going larger sometimes on a smaller piece, you know, if you're using a, you know, like a really wide frame on a smaller piece, sometimes I, I, you know, I find that even just a small mat, just to give you a little bit of separation from the frame. Sure. You know, that that'll do the trick as Speaker 3 00:09:44 Well. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. If you're using a two inch wide frame and you wanna put a one inch mat on there. Yep. Especially if you're doing something like a float where yeah. You know, a mat can be used as a backdrop too. It doesn't necessarily have to cover the top of your Speaker 2 00:09:55 Artwork. Don't have to have a whole cut of Speaker 3 00:09:56 It. Exactly. You can have, you have like a ruffled edge piece of paper or an antique piece or something that's, you know, not necessarily got a clean edge, but you like that look of it. You can put the mat as a backdrop behind it and float it on top. Uh, and then that way you just get a solid color background. That's acid free won't damage the artwork. We can attach it several different ways to make sure that it's not gonna move. And then that way you get some uniqueness and some dimension that looks different, especially if it's a material or a fabric it's really, really nice seeing it that way. Speaker 2 00:10:27 Um, yeah. Torn edges. You know, I was just framing a couple of the pieces of kids' artwork the, the other day. And, you know, the paper's not even, it's, uh, you know, you got a little bit of a, like, you know, torn off corners and, you know, we floated it and we just show like, you know, about a half inch of map order around and, you know, just, not even so much to accentuate the color, but just to give it that separation, um, you know, in the ability to see the edge of the paper. Cause I thought that that was like a really interesting part of the, you know, of the art, um, you know, cause we just used the same, Matt, you know, like a Matt color that was very similar to the paper color and you know, just half inch showing just enough, just you can see those rough edges and the character of it. Mm-hmm Speaker 3 00:11:11 <affirmative> yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I mean, there's also, you know, things you shouldn't do with Matt, like I said, with the backdrop behind there, or if it's matted, normally you gotta have glass on top of it. Oh yeah. Again, these are just pieces of paper with either a fabric on top or just colored core paper. It's it's going to absorb moisture in the ear. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, it's gonna dry out. It's gonna fade with light if you don't have it under UV glass and it's just gonna end up curling or warping and not looking that great, you know, over time, you know, maybe especially around here with all the different humidity changes, it can be 60 degrees one day and 90, the next you have it in a room where, you know, like a mud room or, you know, a front hallway where you get a lot of temperature differences from the door opening, it's gonna change drastically. So it maybe look good temporarily. Or if you're trying to do, you know, just a quick, you know, uh, a picture, but make sure you get that glass back on top of it afterwards, just to protect it. You know, the main reason is to space it between glass. So if you don't have the glass and there's no real reason for the matting to be there other than to hold it in place. Speaker 2 00:12:14 Yeah. I think that sometimes people come in with like a canvas and they kind of make, you know, they have that in their head that they need that separation and they're kind of mistaking, uh, you know, like a linen wrapped, Speaker 3 00:12:25 Oh yeah. The old line liners, you Speaker 2 00:12:26 Know, like a liner, you know, or, you know, even still like a, like a sharp white, white frame might give you that same look, you know, but people, you know, sometimes think that what they're looking for is a mat. And it's just kind of that, you know, maybe it's just a, something that's getting lost in translation or lost in, you know, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, Speaker 3 00:12:45 Uh, Speaker 2 00:12:45 Matt, Speaker 3 00:12:45 Not a real common term that a lot of people know, so they say they want a mat in a canvas, but what they really want's just a, a spacer, a, you know, something to break it up and it can be something as simple as just stacking two frames together, a simple flat white with the, you know, an edge of gold just to give it that extra bit of dimension and, uh, you know, to bring up pop a color or to, to brighten a whole picture up. But a mat just won't have the strength that needs to, to hold two, a canvas into a picture. There's nothing to grasp it into the back of the frame. So it's something that's you really gotta think about when you go ahead and, uh, trying to put a picture together, mats are good for some things it's not for everything though. Speaker 2 00:13:22 Yep. Yeah. I, you know, again, and there's so many different, so many different right answers and, you know, you know, you know, a lot of those old antique maps, you know, some of those, the look is nicer without a mat mm-hmm <affirmative>, but then when you get into a, you know, a certain type of setting, uh, you know, the mat looks a little bit more finished, you know, maybe in a more, uh, you know, if you're, you're going for that rustic look, sometimes the, you know, just the frame right around the edge of the map is nice. Um, you know, cause I don't think they have these nice clean cut acid free mats. Speaker 3 00:13:54 No. When these, Speaker 2 00:13:55 When these, uh, when these maps were, you know, originally, uh, Speaker 3 00:14:00 Yeah, that was not really the, uh, the look back in the day, it was usually make it as big as you can fit it in a frame, get it on the wall. Yep. Show it and display it. But like say you had an old antique map and you had an old antique photo from an area on that map using a map to separate it up something, the color that's in there. So it looks all uniform. That's a great way to, you know, to, to add two pieces together, to make it one, have some continuity. Yep. And two, just to, you know, make it really, really classy and have something that's unique that's to you that, you know, that you designed. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:14:29 It gives you along those lines too, you know, you know, you have nine photographs, you wanna put 'em into one frame, but you wanna have a nice clean, you know, clean look, you know, you know, that's a, you know, multi holes, you know, in the mat, you know, it kind of gives you a nice way to present everything in one frame and, you know, gives you a clean look, not just, you know, a bunch of photographs squash together and Speaker 3 00:14:54 The old collage with, uh, Elmer's glue and, uh, layered pictures. Yeah. And the old scotch tape layered on top of everything. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't always look as, uh, appealing as, you know, a nice clean mat so we can do all that hidden underneath <laugh>. Yeah, Speaker 2 00:15:08 Absolutely. So what else do we got going on over here at the frame center these days, Speaker 3 00:15:12 Scott? Oh, well we got the, uh, we got the Hanover day. It's our show coming up. Yep. That one's something new. We got the, uh, oh, we got the new ice rink out back. Speaker 2 00:15:20 Yeah. The, that, you know, shooting PS, a lot of people were you, they miss it. Yeah. They missed it. You know, I mean, we started shooting hockey parks, you know, during the shutdown people loved it. You know, people loved seeing people shooting hockey, PS people like showing up and shooting hockey, PS mm-hmm <affirmative>. So it was taking it to the next level. Speaker 3 00:15:38 It was even a staple in a lot of the pictures that we had for our calling, all artists contests that we did, if it was, if it had that little red hockey net in there, it seemed to complete the picture. You get a lot of people commenting on it, that they loved seeing it there. Speaker 2 00:15:50 Yep. And you know, things have gotten a little, you know, with this shutdown, we were a little bit slower. We could use the parking lot to shoot pucks, but you know, these days it seems like the, the parking lot is full on a regular basis again. So, you know, we decided to take it to the next level we got, you know, got a little landscaping done out back. We got a nice little space, Speaker 3 00:16:12 Brighten everything up. Speaker 2 00:16:14 Yep. We got synthetic ice down there. You know, people are on there, you can bring you skates, you know, it's gonna be awesome. Um, you know, I, you know, was talking to Elizabeth the other day. She's excited to shoot. Can't wait to get her out there. See if she, you know, if we can translate the field hockey into, you know, a hockey. Speaker 3 00:16:32 Ah, okay. Speaker 2 00:16:33 <laugh> Speaker 3 00:16:36 I know we've got all kinds of things, all new displays, all new, hopefully some new frames and some new samples coming in. Now that everything's going back on track. Hopefully we can get some of those in soon. Um yep. But, uh, a lot of art artists coming in for a lot of different shows, a lot of private shows. We even had a couple that we've displayed here. We've got Rick Murphy's stuff on display right now, here at the store. Speaker 2 00:16:56 Yeah. Rick Murphy's stuff is up and you know, that's the last show till hand over days. I know we have some other artists lined up. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, Dean's doing a great job putting that all together and, you know, coordinating, um, we're hoping to get the website up and running so that we have a nice archive of all these shows. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:17:13 Well, we got the event calendar too, that we're gonna have. So if anybody's got any, you know, shows that they're gonna be, you know, entering into, or if they're having any their own private shows, stop by, let us know, gimme the information, I'll get it up on the calendar website so that we can kind of create a, a central hub of, uh, local art events, you know? Yeah. You know, you guys have done so much for us by coming with us and coming in here and being with us for all these years, you know, it's nice to give a little back and help you guys out when we can yep. Speaker 2 00:17:40 Giving it back, giving 'em back with frame center merchandise. Oh Speaker 3 00:17:44 Yeah. The merch Speaker 2 00:17:45 Yeah. Got new hats frame center. Hats are, uh, you know, turned it out to be a big hit. Yeah. So the other thing we could, you know, the other thing of what is this frame center podcast, I get it <laugh> Speaker 3 00:17:58 What is its purpose? Speaker 2 00:18:00 You know, and I think it's just to kind of, you know, help educate people, help, you know, keep people up to, you know, up to date on like current events. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, I mean, you mentioned the calendar, you know, I think we'd like to, you know, see our websites, see our social media feeds even turn into like a, a hub to kind of give people, um, you know, a sense of all things, art related mm-hmm <affirmative> that are going on in our south shore. Maybe we even expand upon that to go a little further at some point. Speaker 3 00:18:29 Yeah. We've got the group page on Facebook for anybody that wants to post things about framing and, uh, shows and things along those lines, things that are going on here. Some future contests probably that will help, you know, for some, some, Speaker 2 00:18:43 Yeah, we're try, you know, anything we can get to, you know, to, you know, to offer, um, you know, some interaction with our customer base, with the, you know, with the community as a whole mm-hmm <affirmative>, um, you know, that's what, one of the, you know, we try to get our social media team out to, you know, some of these events, you know, you know, we've, we're, you know, there's seems to be a real importance to that and, uh, you know, to help being a part of the community and, you know, help stay active in things and yeah. Speaker 3 00:19:11 Spread the awareness of it. A lot of people may not have known that the, uh, where'd we go the other day, where was it that we were at, we were at the, uh, Speaker 2 00:19:18 North river arts Speaker 3 00:19:19 Festival, north river arts festival, you know, it still had a really big turn up from what I could see from all the videos and images that we, you know, took while we were there. But, uh, you know, maybe a lot of people didn't know about it. Speaker 2 00:19:29 Yeah. And, you know, and I think keeping people aware of that, um, you know, keeping people, you know, helping people find artists that, you know, styles match with their personal taste and budgets mm-hmm <affirmative>, um, you know, I think is a, you know, a nice thing, you know, I mean, obviously our, you know, our first, uh, you know, I, I think obviously we, you know, we want to help promote the people that promote us in the sense. So, you know, I think that, you know, all these things are a way to do that. And, you know, also, you know, people need to know that if they want to, you know, get something framed and, you know, shoot some hockey PS at the same time, you know, this is the place to come. Yeah, exactly. It's Speaker 3 00:20:07 Super. Speaker 2 00:20:09 So yeah, I mean, I think we'll be putting a push on our social media about that, you know, we can get some pictures of, you know, shooting some occupies out there. Mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you know, I've discussed this with the social media team and, you know, you know, they seem to be on board. Speaker 3 00:20:23 Definitely. Definitely. Speaker 2 00:20:25 And, you know, I, you know, the galleries coming together, I mean, we've had Michael coin up there. We've had Karen CAS. Um, we have, uh, Mike sleeper. Yeah. Mike sleeper, you know, our, you know, in-house photographer in Speaker 3 00:20:38 A sense Speaker 2 00:20:38 Mm-hmm, <affirmative>, um, you know, we tend to have a bunch of his stuff, Claude, Claude. Yep. Claude Speaker 3 00:20:43 One of our social media team. Speaker 2 00:20:44 Yeah. He had a wonderful show of, uh, you know, the, uh, elegant alien show mm-hmm <affirmative>, which has, you know, made it, made a couple stops already. And I know he is got a couple more in mind and that, you know, we were fortunate enough to have that here for a couple weeks or Speaker 3 00:21:03 A month. Yeah. It was almost a, yeah. It was just about a month on there. Yeah. So that's the plan going forward is to be able to just help out those that, uh, like I said, have been with us for a long time, help them get a place where they can, you know, display their work without having to worry about, you know, time constraints, budgeting. Yeah. Um, trying to even just nail down a location lately. It's been crazy cuz now that everything's back up and active again, everything's booked for Speaker 2 00:21:30 Yeah. Well there's a lot of, you know, I was talking to, uh, someone about talking to Mary Kerin about the Duxbury R complex and you know, they've had to kind of ex you know, speed their shows up a little bit too, cuz you know, they, all those, you know, the, the two years of shutdown, there was a number of shows that were scheduled. So, you know, trying to keep those scheduled and keep things on track. Um, but you know, they're making that happen and you know, I think that we have a nice space. Um, you know, we have all, we dedicat Speaker 3 00:21:59 Still space now dedicated space for it. It's not, uh, intermingled with the retail, uh, framing anymore. It's Speaker 2 00:22:04 Yeah, we got the, the frames are still up here, so you, we don't want people getting, you know, Speaker 3 00:22:09 Freaking out and oh no, no, they didn't go anywhere. They just moved into their own Speaker 2 00:22:13 Space. They kind of consolidated into the back room and we have, uh, you know, a nice, nice place to present artwork and you know, I'm looking forward to, you know, seeing some other artists that we have lined up. It's been nice seeing Rick's stuff here as well. I mean, we see a lot of, you know, see occasional one offs of Rick's, but to see everything as a group is really nice. Um, you know, sometimes he comes in and just gets empty frames, so we don't even see the Speaker 3 00:22:36 Pieces. Yeah, exactly. Speaker 2 00:22:38 <laugh> but he's had great turnout. He's sold a few pieces mm-hmm <affirmative> um, so I'm sure that he's very happy with that and you know, hopefully we'll get him, you know, added to our, you know, uh, archive of shows that we've had here or turn 'em into a frame center artist, our featured artist. Speaker 3 00:22:55 Yeah. We have to have a little catalog. People can go back through and look through, uh, an archived photo, uh, uh, photo album that, uh, show the different ones that we've had up through the years. That'll be nice. Speaker 2 00:23:05 Yeah. I think that that's a, you know, that again, that's gonna be a nice, uh, nice thing to have, uh, for people to kind of familiarize themselves with, uh, artists also that are, you know, local, I think currently I think we just have Jade and Michael coin and Michael's sleeper up. Uh mm-hmm <affirmative> mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, I, we're gonna try to get a page for Karen, uh, you know, hopefully a page for Claude and you know, maybe a page for Rick coming up. Karen. Speaker 3 00:23:29 Stuff's really nice. Yep. Speaker 2 00:23:30 Yep. And, you know, I think that that's been nice and I think that's another way, you know, hopefully at some point we have like, you know, 40, 50 artists up there and you can kind, you know, if you've heard of somebody or if you've seen someone, then you can kind of link on there and, you know, know, go to the frame center page and kind of see a few different styles of artwork. Maybe we have enough at some point where we can, you know, you can sort and check by photographers mm-hmm <affirmative> or by painters. And then you can kind of get a feel for, you know, what their work's like, and then you can link right through there to their social media or to their website. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I think that that'll be a nice feature to have, Speaker 3 00:24:08 Um, maybe a budding artist show or something along those lines too, for all the people that figured out that they actually had artistic talent when they finally had the time to sit down during COVID. Yep. Can't tell you how many people walked in the door that had never done framing or even thought about frames before until, uh, they finally had the time for them, for Speaker 2 00:24:24 Themselves. Yeah. That was one that's one of the nice things about COVID for us is, was that, you know, I mean, I guess not really saying there's nice things about, Speaker 3 00:24:31 Well, something nice came out of it, I Speaker 2 00:24:32 Should say <laugh> yeah. I mean, yeah, that, you know, people did a lot of time at home and, you know, people were trapped in their houses, so, you know, all of a sudden taking care of their houses or putting money back into, you know, the presentation of things on their walls mm-hmm <affirmative> um, was important. So Speaker 3 00:24:49 Yeah, time, time is a big part of it, so. Speaker 2 00:24:52 Yep. All right. Uh, let's see, what else is going on at the frame center? Um, we have, Speaker 3 00:24:59 Let's see, we had some new hires. Speaker 2 00:25:01 Yep. Some new, some new new people on board, some new interns, some new, uh, summer help. We have, uh, the frame center, art contest where we, you know, with the, uh, the portraits of the frame center. Yeah. Which hopefully will be with the big winner, Joanne Schick. Speaker 3 00:25:16 Oh yeah, Speaker 2 00:25:17 Yeah. You know, she captured the net in there. Fantastic job with that. She wasn't the only one, but, Speaker 3 00:25:22 But see, that was the key factor in here, you know, her winning, but I'm, I'm sure I played a part <laugh> Speaker 2 00:25:27 And it helped, you know, helped me, you know, for my opinion anyway. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:25:32 But yeah, we'll be using those for some, uh, some future content. Speaker 2 00:25:36 Yeah. I think that that's gonna be fun. I think we're, you know, we're planning on, you know, using some of those images for, you know, showing people how to frame things in different ways, you know, cuz again, there's a lot of different rights and we have a lot of different personalities here, so it'll be fun to see one piece of artwork done, uh, you know, with, you know, maybe 10 different styles, uh, you know, 10 different ideas on how to present it. And you know, none of them will be right. None of 'em will be wrong, but you know, Speaker 3 00:26:06 I'm sure everybody find something like exactly, but yeah, we'll have some more future content like this and covering specific topics, you know, Speaker 2 00:26:16 We'll open it up Speaker 3 00:26:17 Photography. Maybe we'll get some, some guest appearances to some people that uh, yeah. Maybe specialize in those, you Speaker 2 00:26:23 Know? Yeah. I think that that'll be nice. Hopefully we can maybe have some talks with some artists. Um, you know, we can discuss all things framing. Like we said earlier at the, at the beginning of the show we can discuss what kind of frame, uh, you know, what kind of soundtrack we need for this, what kind of opening, you know, get some graphics in there. Speaker 3 00:26:40 Yeah. We want some feedback on this Speaker 2 00:26:41 Work, on the studio, we got a nice, nice, uh, you know, neon sign to get up behind us. Oh yeah. I think that that's gonna be nice. You know, we're getting there. Um, you know, we talk about our new Pinterest links. Speaker 3 00:26:54 Yes. Pinterest. Speaker 2 00:26:55 Yes <laugh> but yeah. And the new frame center blog, you know, that's coming together. So all things on the website, I, you know, I'm definitely certainly gonna be discussed, um, you know, different types of glass. Maybe we can get some people in here. Maybe we can get an expert from TruView by Speaker 3 00:27:11 Representative to stop by or give us a, you know, we can we'll figure something out that way. I'm Speaker 2 00:27:18 Sure. Yeah. I think there's a lot to be expanded upon here and you know, obviously we'll open it up to the public, you know? Oh yeah, yeah. We wanna get back, gotta give the people what they want, Scott. Yeah, exactly. <laugh> yeah. And, uh, you know, should be fun. We'll be discussing who, uh, who shot hockey bikes, you know, I don't think we're gonna let anyone, you know, you know, make anyone look like a fool. Uh, but you know, maybe if somebody does a particularly bad job, well, you know, we'll bring it up, but <laugh>, but who knows? Maybe not you, maybe that will just be a beat me about how I've Speaker 0 00:28:03 See Speaker 4 00:28:03 Ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya.

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